Hp??

[Arsonalero]

Hey i was wondering what kind of horsepower my car will putting out after my mods im doin..? im porting the uim to match the 62mm tb, cold air intake, 8mm wires, high flow cat, 2.50 inch exhaust with flowmaster??

[doubleN0alero]

We need some more info 2.2, 2.4, 3.4???

[mike2002]

only a 3.4 takes a 62mm tb, must be that

if you want power, skip the flowmaster for a magnaflow.

flowmaster = flowstopper

[bigd6983]

lol the flowmaster flows fine......i gave him an estimate of 165-170.......

[mike2002]

at the wheels? if he's starting at 170 at the crank, and the mods

cai
exhaust
62mm tb
ported uim

id say 195, 200 with a magnaflow :P

seriously though, flowmaster doesn't flow a whole lot over stock, people usually get them because they like the flowmaster sound. magnaflow makes the best flowing muffler between the 2. never heard what either sound like though

[|Rev|]

Originally posted by mike2002@Dec 28 2004, 02:32 PM
only a 3.4 takes a 62mm tb, must be that

if you want power, skip the flowmaster for a magnaflow.

flowmaster = flowstopper
Theres a 62mm TB for sale for the 2.4l on RSM, so yeah.

[Grouch]

but only the 3400 uses 8mm wires :P lol

[-Alero-]

just a bit of an estimate:
cai - 4 hp
exhaust - 5 hp
62 mm TB - 6.5 hp
ported UIM - 4.5 hp
i say between 160 and 165......only a dyno can tell us :( (WHP that is)

[Arsonalero]

ok now im ordering the DHP Pcm for my 3.4, and prolly gonna get a high flow cat this weekend.. now what do you think im gonna be running?

[Eh_nigma]

Originally posted by Grouch@Dec 28 2004, 10:59 PM
:rolleyes: post skimming again?
:lol: :lol: :lol:

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by Arsonalero@Dec 29 2004, 01:25 AM
ok now im ordering the DHP Pcm for my 3.4, and prolly gonna get a high flow cat this weekend.. now what do you think im gonna be running?
hmmmmmph, thats tuff, im pretty confident there is no exact answer i'd know to that but, you can be looking at very good benefits, since you have some free'er flowing intake and exhaust. but if you dont mind me suggesting. look into spark plug wires, better spark plugs and coil packs. you'll get like barely 1 hp out of it, but it makes your car feel so much more responsive and overall you'll be very happy with them. you'll know when you get them.

[Fast Eddie]

might pick up 15HP @ the crank. Porting gains nothing except quicker revving, wires gain nothing as for power, biggest gain will be from the DHP...

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by Fast Eddie@Dec 29 2004, 03:11 AM
might pick up 15HP @ the crank. Porting gains nothing except quicker revving, wires gain nothing as for power, biggest gain will be from the DHP...
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.....porting does not give quicker revs.........especially a intake manifold. quicker revs, would be over in the pulley department and weight stuff and maybe timing. plugs wires and coil packs will make a huge impact, its somethign you have to expierience, its hard to explain. Redog knows what im talking about. and yeah with the pcm it really helps everything work together and brings out potential in mods. (benefits :D )

[Arsonalero]

what a good set or wires and coils? Im running Taylor *mm wires now..

[Arsonalero]

thats 8mm i was holding the shift oops lol

[-Alero-]

uhhhh im not sure exactly what are all the brand names of all these things, but 8.5 wires would be best i guess, stay away from bosch plugs just get NGK, if you want to know more, go to the alero upgrades page which is in the home page, it will take you to the site to order them.

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by Alero-+Dec 29 2004, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (-Alero- @ Dec 29 2004, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Fast Eddie@Dec 29 2004, 03:11 AM
might pick up 15HP @ the crank. Porting gains nothing except quicker revving, wires gain nothing as for power, biggest gain will be from the DHP...
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.....porting does not give quicker revs.........especially a intake manifold. quicker revs, would be over in the pulley department and weight stuff and maybe timing. plugs wires and coil packs will make a huge impact, its somethign you have to expierience, its hard to explain. Redog knows what im talking about. and yeah with the pcm it really helps everything work together and brings out potential in mods. (benefits :D ) [/b][/quote]
Show me the dyno results that prove power gains from porting a manifold, its negligable at best. LMMFAO, if you think ignition mods will add power but I guess I just lack experience since I've only worked on ASA, SCCA, and late model race cars in addition to my hobby and daily drivers :rolleyes:

[-Alero-]

Originally posted by Fast Eddie+Dec 30 2004, 03:18 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Fast Eddie @ Dec 30 2004, 03:18 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally posted by Alero-@Dec 29 2004, 02:52 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Fast Eddie@Dec 29 2004, 03:11 AM
might pick up 15HP @ the crank. Porting gains nothing except quicker revving, wires gain nothing as for power, biggest gain will be from the DHP...
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.....porting does not give quicker revs.........especially a intake manifold. quicker revs, would be over in the pulley department and weight stuff and maybe timing. plugs wires and coil packs will make a huge impact, its somethign you have to expierience, its hard to explain. Redog knows what im talking about. and yeah with the pcm it really helps everything work together and brings out potential in mods. (benefits :D )
Show me the dyno results that prove power gains from porting a manifold, its negligable at best. LMMFAO, if you think ignition mods will add power but I guess I just lack experience since I've only worked on ASA, SCCA, and late model race cars in addition to my hobby and daily drivers :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
dude your the one who said porting give the power, yeah and no sh1t its negligable. 18% better air flow than stock......thats about it.....not much else i can say about it, anyways im not saying ignition is the key element to everything and it give you 1 million hp..... its something i cant really describe. let me put it this way... more current is able to run faster and more volts are unleashed. but i know for a fact you will most likely gain 1 hp out of buying coil packs wires and better plugs, if you just changed all of that on your car you would feel a difference, not really power wise, but responsive wise..... (sigh) wheres ken when you need him, he'll be able to put it in better terms.

[Redog]

OK I'm here to help

A P&P manifold (upper and lower) as well as the 62mm TB will increase airflow thur the top part of the motor and allow more air inside to create bigger combustion. Upgrading plugs and wires, even with this set up, will give you 1hp or if you're lucky 2, but the PCM will dump more fuel to mix with the increased airflow thus making more power.

The coil packs, wires, and plugs that Kyle wants to do by no means gives 150hp or anything close, but usually OEM plugs are set to the stock airflow. Making more airflow and having OEM plugs will usually cause poor fuel ecom. due to fuel being wasted.

As for the revs being faster, you need a crank pulley, and/or a cam shaft to get those kinds of gains, and right now both of these items for the 3400 are in still in the development stage and not perfected yet.

As for you responsive statement, you are 100% right. You will feel a difference due to more spark energy. A main reason people aslo get MSD systems for their cars :rolleyes:

The only kind of big RPM increase I saw with my manifold is, when it's very cold the car will idel at 1500 RPM instead of 1000 RPM's until it's warmed up :thumbsup:

Hope I helped Kyle, I just got home from work and I've very tiredhttp://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/schlafen/sleeping-smiley-015.gifhttp://www.click-smilies.de/schnellauswahl/smilie_bett.gif

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by mike2002@Dec 28 2004, 08:32 AM
only a 3.4 takes a 62mm tb, must be that


holy crap, so i better remove the 62mm TB off my 2.4 and give it back.........LOL

sorry dood, i understand you don't know. it's all in good fun.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by Fast Eddie@Dec 29 2004, 01:11 AM
might pick up 15HP @ the crank. Porting gains nothing except quicker revving, wires gain nothing as for power, biggest gain will be from the DHP...
i agree the DHP will be the biggest gain which is only like 7-8 hp

[mike2002]

upgrading the ignition seems pretty pointless for the amount of money it costs, seeing as how our igintion is waste spark ignition, or coils already generate way more than you will ever use...the cost isn't worth the benifits. the order that seems to make the most sense for cost/performance is CAI, exhaust, dhp, pully....then go from there, thats the order im gonna do it in...if you've got a little more money for performance, id do cai, exhaust, headers, dhp.

[Youngblood77]

I gotta say that from what I've read, headers make a huge difference when coupled with a decent exhaust set-up from there back. It's not very poplular just because of it's cost. If headers were within the economical grasp of the average 3.4-equipped Aleromodder, I guarantee it would be the 1st mod we'd do. Dollar for dollar, it's gains can't be beat in my humble opinion.

[FutureEcotecOwnerAgain]

the 2.2 has a 62mm tb upgrade for 300 dollars with 10 hp gain. and ive got a wai and flowmaster muffler and i can tell a big difference in power

[mike2002]

the 62mm tb doesn't help a near stock 3400 though. i think you should upgrade the UIM too, and thats why it starts to become "not worth it" for the cost, for v6 owners unless alot of other stuff is done. i would think the 4valve per cylinder is part of the reason why a smaller engine needs more air per liter.

[Arsonalero]

WHAT?! the throttle body is well worth it!! and all you have to do to make it work perfect it port the inlet to the throttle body! and thats pretty easy cuz i did mine within 4hrs of using a dremel for my first time!

[-Alero-]

yeah, but maybe what he is trying to say is the 62 mm TB needs the ported UIM to work together with it so yo ucan get the most out of it. also the ported LIM helps a bit as well. also i think he said he got the UIM ported in his first post.