Which Headunit Is The Best? Help Me Decide

[Vtolds]

1) http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2004/257/h257KDAR360-f_LD.jpeg
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3pF89fgI39/c...00&I=257KDAR360 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3pF89fgI39/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=62700&I=257KDAR360)

2) http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2004/500/h500CDE9843-f.jpeg
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3pF89fgI39/c...00&I=500CDE9843 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3pF89fgI39/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=62700&I=500CDE9843)

3) http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2004/130/h130DEHP370-f.jpeg
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3pF89fgI39/c...00&I=130DEHP370 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3pF89fgI39/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=62700&I=130DEHP370)

4)
http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2004/113/h113MP4028-f.jpeg
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3pF89fgI39/c...700&I=113MP4028 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3pF89fgI39/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=62700&I=113MP4028)

Its time to start saving money for a system, but not to much money I hope. I am a very cheap person so keep that in mind. I need some help with picking the Headunit, Some good Subs and a good Amp. I am a Audio n00b even though I have installed 3 very simple systems. If you guys can pic out a good setup for me I would be very greatful, if you could only use www.crutchfield.com (http://www.crutchfield.com) to find the parts, I think that would be best for me becuase I have bought from them before. :thumbsup: There is no rush on this, will be a couple months if I can save the money.

[GooffeeAlero]

Tell you the truth i personally i wont get any of those, id get the Alpine CDA 9851, its not too bad it retails for 245 bucks heres the web site
http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/Pr...ProductID=14774 (http://www.onlinecarstereo.com/CarAudio/ProductDetail.aspx?ProductID=14774)

[Vtolds]

Bit out of the price range that I would he willing the spend

[Screamin eagle]

I have always liked eclipse.....

http://www.acaraudio.com/product_info.php?...roducts_id=1205 (http://www.acaraudio.com/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=44&products_id=1205)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...3879371096&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=18798&item=3879371096&rd=1)

http://www.eclipse-web.com/index_cd.html

[Screamin eagle]

sorry, I was finding those while you posted your pricerange :D

[Vtolds]

The reason also that I would like people to find components on Crutchfield is becuase Crutchfield includes Bracketing and wiring so I dont have to worry about going out and finding the adapters.

[GooffeeAlero]

Ohh ok if the CDA 9851 is too much, then you cant go wrong with the alpine. if your getting subwoofers alpine is the best, becuz the of Bass Engine ,its basically a subwoofer level controller so you dont need a remote bass controller. ive had alpine for a long time, ive actually changed my head unit every year becuz they keep upgrading there look. and i dont mind buy a new head unit every year. i bet those other head unit that you picked out dont have that subwoofer level controll built in. and if they do it not as good as the alpine. and a remote subwoofer controller is like 30 bucks. get the Alpine Dude!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vtolds]

ANy Ideas for subs and amps? I am thinking just a Mono Amp becuase I will wont it only to drive maby 2 subs.

This is actaully the highest rated and Top seller, is it any good at all?

Profile California 400MSX 200W x 1 car subwoofer amp
http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2004/489/h489400MSX-f_FL_LD.jpeg
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3pF89fgI39/c...iew&i=489400MSX (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-r3pF89fgI39/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=130&id=review&i=489400MSX)

[FantomForceCustoms02]

Pioneer is always good. I have a DEH-P3600 and I really like it. It also has built in crossovers to filter the bass out of your speakers into the subs. I'm not too sure about the others but you'll probably have to buy other crossovers if you want a good sound.

[Screamin eagle]

Profile are ok as far as low quality amps go. How much is that one?

[Screamin eagle]

don't know about these but they are cheap.

http://www.mmxpress.com/freebies.htm

[Vtolds]

Its like $79 on special, link is below the pic.

[Screamin eagle]

good deal on premier head units.

http://www.mmxpress.com/Pioneer/cdplayers.htm

[Screamin eagle]

here you go

http://www.mmxpress.com/lanzar/vibe.htm

[Screamin eagle]

I heard these are really loud.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...888055&tc=photo (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3291&item=5756888055&tc=photo)

[Screamin eagle]

This is ok.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5755026228&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=64572&item=5755026228&rd=1)

[Vtolds]

The thing about the headunits is I dont know which ones will fit in the Elantra. THats why I would really like people to find stuff on Crutchfield.

[alero_ecotec]

I had a profile amp like that in my old car pushing 2 polk GNX's.....did a pretty good job of it too, really wasnt bad at all for the money i paid from crutchfield. And as far as head units go, i'd pick either Pioneer or Alpine....i have the pioneer DEG-7700MP and it's beautiful.

[Screamin eagle]

Alright dude, I think you'll be happiest with the kenwood. I think they make the best cheap cd players.

[FormulaNERD]

if you go pioneer, only get a premiere.

memphis subs are tons of sloppy bass.... but if you want tight clean bass get something else.

i picked up some polk momo's yesterday and they sound awesome, i've always wanted some.

whats your price range for amps? i really wouldnt get a cheap amp...

[Screamin eagle]

you can get a universal install kit from circuit city for like 15 bucks, metra or something that will allow you to put in pretty much any cd player, circuit city had a pioneer, head for $89 (not premier though)

[Vtolds]

It is kinda hard to tell how much money I will beable to save. but I think $300.00 or $400.00 for the whole system would be a number to shoot for if not more. I know that wont get me much, but my last system which I still have was 2 Jenson 10 inch subs and a 250 watt Road Gear Amp And it had really good bass and was less than $200.00 well $300.00 with the Sony headunit which I still have, but I want somehting new that plays MP3's. Maby I will just start with 1 sub and then move up later, but all I need is a amp that pushes the subs and thats it otherwise it has a really good 6 speaker system in it already.

[Screamin eagle]

If you don't want to spend any money try one of these.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Q-Reference...roductDetail.do (http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Q-Reference-by-Alphasonik-Subwoofer-Amplifier-Package-PARTYPAK1P-/sem/rpsm/oid/99126/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do)

[Vtolds]

Have you ever heard that setup before? does it sound good? I would seriously think about something like that.

[Screamin eagle]

I've never heard that stuff exactly. I've heard alphasoniks REALLY expensive stuff and it was very loud. I would imagine that it's not going to blow out your windows but the amp would be sufficient for the subs since it is designed for it. Usually I would advise people not to get something like that but for the money you can't beat 2 subs and an amp for like $169.

[Screamin eagle]

Look

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5757039849&rd=1 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=32822&item=5757039849&rd=1)

[Vtolds]

$199+$99 shipping is a deal but I dont see me paying $99 for shipping I think I would rather buy cheaper stuff then pay that much shipping.

[Screamin eagle]

sorry dude didn't even see that crap, I wouldn't have posted that scam if I had seen $99 shipping :pissed:

[Screamin eagle]

seriously, to get under $350 or $400 I'd go with the kenwood and one of those sub/amp combos. Alphasonik makes them, so does mtx.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dO5H3rBZ5hv/c...50&I=700ROCK201 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dO5H3rBZ5hv/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=208250&I=700ROCK201)

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dO5H3rBZ5hv/c...250&I=236TP12X2 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dO5H3rBZ5hv/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=208250&I=236TP12X2)

[Vtolds]

The MTX seems like a good deal with one of those headunits it would be about what I want to pay+amp wiring kit and it still isnt bad.

[Screamin eagle]

go with that one then, MTX has been a good brand in the past.

[TribalAlero2000GL3]

I was lookin into all kinds of subs and amps, when i bout my system, i had about the same amount of money you are willing to spend. I would go with either kenwood headunit or panasonic headunit(i have a panasonic) both are very resonably priced. As far as subs and amps, i have a 1200W sony that hasn't ever given me trouble, MTX i think have the best mid-priced subs, I have 2 DVC MTX Thunder4500 i can vouch for them, they sound really good for their price. Might also want to try some american Bass subs. Personally i would stay away from those all in one systems, some of them are insanely underpowered. I have couple friends that bout those pre-made systems, one bout a dual system when they were on sale at best buy the other bought a Sony pre-made. Both sound horrible compared to my 1200W amp+2 DVC MTXs. Try some local shops u might be able to get some good deals.

[mike2002]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Mar 4 2005, 09:33 PM
if you go pioneer, only get a premiere.

memphis subs are tons of sloppy bass.... but if you want tight clean bass get something else.

i picked up some polk momo's yesterday and they sound awesome, i've always wanted some.

whats your price range for amps? i really wouldnt get a cheap amp...
the priemer's are only about $20 more than the similar "base" version because the only real difference is a higher voltage output...

[FormulaNERD]

alot of the ones i looked at have better eq's, more output, more pre outs, higher preout voltage (this is important), better built in crossover options, etc.

and vtolds, i'd go with that fosgate package, and add another of the same amp, run one on each speaker bridged, put a 4g to your batt. and a distro block in the trunk.

[Vtolds]

So is the Rockford Fosgate Better? If I got the Rockford Fosgate I would have to buy a box and the Box they recomend is $94.00 making it more than the MTX Setup.

[Youngblood77]

Hey Danny, please post your price ranges on these components: Hu, subs ( number of how many, what size you prefer, what enclosure you want, and price each ) and the amout you can spend on an amp to power the subs. If you don't know what type of enclosure you want or need, please give you preference as-to what kind of sound you're looking for, OR[I] what type of music you listen to.

If you list all these things, it'll help the rest of us tremendously. Once I get more time, I'll try and help ya track down what's best for you. I don't wanna pat myself on the back, but I seem to be pretty decent @ hunting down the best prices on components.

Oh, and one more thing: We'll need you zip code aswell. To get the best bottom-line price, shipping is ALWAYS a factor, especially with subwoofers. B)

[Vtolds]

I listen to Rock, Alternative mostly. I would say that I would like to spend $400.00 Total. I would like either 2 subs or 1 that would be comparable sound to the 2, 10 or 12 inch and a good mono amp to push the sub/s. I would like a headunit that can play MP3's cheaper the better but one that matches good with the setup. My area code is 05641.

I found these Alpine SUbs on crutchfield for Buy one Get one. http://www.crutchfield.com/S-yMDfpqScUN0/c...arch=SWE%2D1041 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-yMDfpqScUN0/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?i=500SWE1041&search=SWE%2D1041)

[Vtolds]

What about this setup

Profile AP1000M $159.99
http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2005/489/h489AP1000M-f_dg.jpeg

Alpine CDE-9843 $149.99
http://akamaipix.crutchfield.com/products/2004/500/h500CDE9843-f.jpeg

And 2 Alpine SWE-1041 in a Q Logic Box $184.98 A bit of photoshop magic.

[Vtolds]

Actaully thats a bit expensive :( I probably will just get that MTX kit and the Alpine Headunit or is the Circiut City kit about the same for $100.00 less of my money?

[FormulaNERD]

mtx is crap.

[Vtolds]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Mar 5 2005, 12:02 PM
mtx is crap.
Sounds good, would the Alphasonic Setup be better for less money. From all the reviews they say it works good but not earth shattering, but I dont earth shattering I want to have good sound inside my car not in everyone elses around me :lol:

[mike2002]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Mar 5 2005, 12:02 PM
mtx is crap.
im sure you know what your talking about ;)

mtx is pretty far from crap, what from mtx are you looking at?

[FormulaNERD]

i've heard some good things about alphasonik, but most of the comments were "it looks cool"

so i dont know, if i were you i'd get something that someone can vouch for, otherwise it'll end up sounding like crap.

but if you want to go with something that you dont know much about... this is a pretty good deal...

Visonik V103BP Dual 10" BP Series
free shipping, free 25$ gift card, bandpass enclosure

(and they have really good deals on head units, use the 25$ gift card, and you're set.)

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_1998.html

http://sonicelectronix.com/item_3295.html

http://sonicelectronix.com/item_3292.html

[Vtolds]

mikegett has been talking to me about maby getting some eclipes Subs/amp through his work. I know that he says they are good, I want to here everyone elses opinion on Eclipes.

[FormulaNERD]

eclipse is nice stuff..... as far as head units go.

havent personally expirienced anything with their subs/amps, but they should be decent.

[Vtolds]

I am kinda Still leaning toward that Alphasonic Setup, it is suppost to be good and for that price you can t beat it. Unless I can save alot more money that will probably be the one I get plus either the Alphine Headunit, but I kinda like the JVC Arsenal.

[FormulaNERD]

i posted the same alpine you're looking at for 10 bucks cheaper, and you still get the install kit.

[Vtolds]

Originally posted by FormulaNERD@Mar 5 2005, 02:05 PM
i posted the same alpine you're looking at for 10 bucks cheaper, and you still get the install kit.
Yeah I saw that. :thumbsup:

[FormulaNERD]

and so you know, i've dealt with sonic electronix, the customer service is pretty good, and the prices are almost always the best.

[Screamin eagle]

I agree formula, MTX is crap. They have gone the way of rockford fosgate, cheaper equipment to lower the price and be competitive. They used to be some of the best but now I think they suck. The loudest car I ever sat in had 3 eclipse 12's in it. Eclipse subs are amazing. I think that he paid about 700 apiece for his subs though. If you can get eclipse subs for a comparable price as what we've been talking about go with them.

[mike2002]

i dont have any experience with eclipse, ive only "heard good things" for what thats worth

i dont think you guys have heard any of mtx's stuff lately, i think alot of people just hear "mtx is crap" and they go with it because some else heard it. we had both the MTX and JL audio demo trucks at my brothers shop, JL on a weds, mtx the next day. the 9500's sounded much better than JL's stuff. mtx blew them away in every price category, thats why he sells mtx now, the JL would have actually gotten him better profit margin. there bottom of the line stuff does suck, but so does every companies. Look at the mtx 5500. i had one of those in the recommended ported box, and it shook my brothers whole shop. 2 Phoenix gold 12" octane z's couldn't do that (in a sealed box). this was the loudest $150 msrp sub ive ever heard, every review ive ever read said whatever the rated RMS of there products is, we doubled it and it took it no problem, mtx is very under rated.

my friend had a JL stealth box in his transam. we just put a mtx 5500 10" in a custom stealth box and a 300 watt mtx amp in his 98 vette, im really suprised how loud it is, and he said it sounds better than the JL, and is still louder.

its like people that just shout out "jl is crap" or "rockford is junk" chances are those people have no experience with that brand, and if they do its with the $50 best buy special. i think both brands are overpriced, thats why id never recommend them

edit: also had a chance to hear the alpine type R and type S components at ultimate electronics.... mtx 6000 convertibles sounded so much warmer and detailed, but they are a little to deep for my car, thats why i went with PG octane Zr's

[mikegett]

Originally posted by mike2002@Mar 6 2005, 04:50 PM
i dont have any experience with eclipse, ive only "heard good things" for what thats worth

i dont think you guys have heard any of mtx's stuff lately, i think alot of people just hear "mtx is crap" and they go with it because some else heard it. we had both the MTX and JL audio demo trucks at my brothers shop, JL on a weds, mtx the next day. the 9500's sounded much better than JL's stuff. mtx blew them away in every price category, thats why he sells mtx now, the JL would have actually gotten him better profit margin. there bottom of the line stuff does suck, but so does every companies. Look at the mtx 5500. i had one of those in the recommended ported box, and it shook my brothers whole shop. 2 Phoenix gold 12" octane z's couldn't do that (in a sealed box). this was the loudest $150 msrp sub ive ever heard, every review ive ever read said whatever the rated RMS of there products is, we doubled it and it took it no problem, mtx is very under rated.

my friend had a JL stealth box in his transam. we just put a mtx 5500 10" in a custom stealth box and a 300 watt mtx amp in his 98 vette, im really suprised how loud it is, and he said it sounds better than the JL, and is still louder.

its like people that just shout out "jl is crap" or "rockford is junk" chances are those people have no experience with that brand, and if they do its with the $50 best buy special. i think both brands are overpriced, thats why id never recommend them

edit: also had a chance to hear the alpine type R and type S components at ultimate electronics.... mtx 6000 convertibles sounded so much warmer and detailed, but they are a little to deep for my car, thats why i went with PG octane Zr's
You nailed it with that reply. Every company is going to have good and bad products. Or at the least a ok product and a better product. The key to comparison is testing products that are targeted at the same demographic. As it stands, nothing bought at best buy will ever compare to a spl sub and comp. amplifier. However, you may not need a spl system. shop for what you want and buy what you can afford. My suggestion is to purhchase the best amp that can be afforded. Underpowering any sub is going to result in poor results and no chance for upgrading.

[Vtolds]

I got a question. If you have 2 600watt subs would a 1200watt amp be what I would wanna look for? or can you do like a 300 watt amp and have it sound good?

[Youngblood77]

That depends Danny. When you say "1200 watt subs", is that 1200 watt rating RMS, or Peak? A good rule of thumb is to stick to the RMS or "continuous" power ratings, mainly because your music will rarely "peak" the system out. Keep in mind though, never mate a sub with an amp that has a higher peak power rating for that channel.

For example: If you have 2 subs that are rated for 300 watts RMS, then a 600 watt rms 2 channel amp is all you'll need. ( 300 watts rms per channel ).

Now, if you knew what these things meant, and asked the question asking for an opinion on sound, that depends on a number of variables:

1) What kind of box are the subs going to be in? If they're going to be in a sealed box, then I'd say no, sealed boxes require more power to preform "up to par". If they're going into something like a bandpass, then I'd say yes, because those boxes are very efficient in a narrow frequency range, and an underpowered sub will still sound halfways decent.

2) If you're talking about lower-end components, then yes, a lower amount of power would suffice, because it's been my experience that cheaper subwoofers are a little better in terms of efficiancy, but are less accurate, and don't last as long because of their "looseness". On the other hand, if you're talking about a higher-end sub, it'll require it's rated RMS wattage to preform to it's true potential.

Hope this helps.

[Vtolds]

These are the specs for the Eclipes PA4212 AMP

# 310W × 2 Channel Max. Power Output at 2
# 200W × 2 Channel 0.1% THD at 2 Stereo, 20–20,000Hz@13.8V (RMS Continuous Power)
# 130W × 2 Channel 0.1% THD at 4 Stereo, 20–20,000Hz@13.8V (RMS Continuous Power)

What would be 2 good eclipes subs to go along with this amp?
Eclipes Subs CLICK ME (http://www.eclipse-web.com/index_speaker.html)

[mike2002]

Originally posted by Youngblood77@Mar 6 2005, 03:09 PM
That depends Danny. When you say "1200 watt subs", is that 1200 watt rating RMS, or Peak? A good rule of thumb is to stick to the RMS or "continuous" power ratings, mainly because your music will rarely "peak" the system out. Keep in mind though, never mate a sub with an amp that has a higher peak power rating for that channel.

For example: If you have 2 subs that are rated for 300 watts RMS, then a 600 watt rms 2 channel amp is all you'll need. ( 300 watts rms per channel ).
you also run into the problem that companies strait up lie how much power they can handle, or how much there amps put out.

cea helps with amp ratings, but theyy still have loop holes. its best to post what subs your looking at, so we can better judge if those are really 600 watt rms subs.

all these manufacture lies and loopholes made people forget how much power 500 watts really is. everything now has "1500 watts" plastered all over it, when its probably putting out 3-400 somewhat clean continious watts (i feel like i really cant spell today...lol)

[Vtolds]

Would somethling like this CLICK ME (http://www.eclipse-web.com/index_speaker.html) work really good with that Amp? since there 2ohm SUbs and that amp makes the most power at 2ohms?

Amp link (http://www.eclipse-web.com/index_amp.html)

[mikegett]

Originally posted by Youngblood77@Mar 6 2005, 08:09 PM
That depends Danny. When you say "1200 watt subs", is that 1200 watt rating RMS, or Peak? A good rule of thumb is to stick to the RMS or "continuous" power ratings, mainly because your music will rarely "peak" the system out. Keep in mind though, never mate a sub with an amp that has a higher peak power rating for that channel.

For example: If you have 2 subs that are rated for 300 watts RMS, then a 600 watt rms 2 channel amp is all you'll need. ( 300 watts rms per channel ).

Now, if you knew what these things meant, and asked the question asking for an opinion on sound, that depends on a number of variables:

1) What kind of box are the subs going to be in? If they're going to be in a sealed box, then I'd say no, sealed boxes require more power to preform "up to par". If they're going into something like a bandpass, then I'd say yes, because those boxes are very efficient in a narrow frequency range, and an underpowered sub will still sound halfways decent.

2) If you're talking about lower-end components, then yes, a lower amount of power would suffice, because it's been my experience that cheaper subwoofers are a little better in terms of efficiancy, but are less accurate, and don't last as long because of their "looseness". On the other hand, if you're talking about a higher-end sub, it'll require it's rated RMS wattage to preform to it's true potential.

Hope this helps.
The quality of a sub has nothing to do with the efficiency. You need to look at the sensitivity rating. A higher sensitivity sub will produce more spl for given watts than a sub with lower sensitivity ratings. The problem is that most companies only place the sensitivity rating on speakers due to the excessive consumption subs require.
I agree with mike on overrating products. It is very hard to find products that are going to displace what they claim. However, you can trust that the eclipse amps will do exactly what it rates. I also disagree with purchasing a larger amp than what the subs require. Gain and volume can easily be turned down to compensate for overpowering. A 800 watt RMS amp does not mean that 800 watts will always be going to the speaker. It means that at max consumption the amp will always have the capability to do 800 watts.
Here is a pic of the amp specs he wanted.

[mikegett]

It will depend on if you want one sub or two. If you want two subs then go with the lower end SW6123 with dual voice coil 4+4. You can place each subs voice coils in parallel to get 2ohms without bridging. The subs rms is 250 while the amps rms at 2ohms is 200 per channel.
If you want one sub then go with the SW7124DVC-T2. This is a much better sub and the 2+2 voice coil will allow you to run the sub in series briged at 4 ohms. The subs rating is 450 watts rms and 900 max. The amps rating is 400 watts rms bridged with 800 max.
The sw6123 will be 42 appiece while the sw7124 is 90. Here are the pros and cons. The sw6 will give you 2 subs for less, but are the lowest model made with a excursion of .78 one way. The sw712 is one of the best subs made (next to the titaniums) with a full aluminum cone and 1.4" (one way)excursions. These were the subs that started the spl crave in 97. They were the first sub to handle a thousand watts, had the largest excursion, and were the first to use aluminum cones. I owned a 8 inch and loved it. I jsut didn't have the power to push it at the time.

[Vtolds]

what about SW6103? I already have the 10 inch boxes that I plan on modding and the SW6123 are 12inch.

[mikegett]

You will want the 6103DVC (dual voice coil) so that each sub can be ran at 2 ohms. Your amp will match up perfect with the subs RMS.

[Vtolds]

For less than $200.00 for a AMP and 2 Subs, Sounds like a deal to me. Now I just have to remember to get the money to you. And also any idea on how much to ship all that stuff?

[mikegett]

See if the pdf files have weights. If not, I can pull out my amp and sub and get a estimate. UPS has a great site for estimating costs on size and weight. Just remember to add in sales taxes as well. I believe they are five percent unless it goes by californias. Don't worry about sending any money untill we are both ready. I have to pay via credit card for the purchase or it takes another two weeks for them to process the order. The good thing is the discount and shipping to the factory is free. The bad thing is that we get our products after other orders are met. My HU came in five days last year but the speakers and amp took nearly four weeks. I think it was due to the three way point source being just released a month prior to it.

[slowandlow]

for subs i would go with http://www.ascendantaudio.com/Atlas%2015.htm or http://www.ascendantaudio.com/Atlas%2012.htm and if you want to get crazy http://www.ascendantaudio.com/Avalanche%2018.htm<--- 42 pounds
i say go alpine i have ben a fen for years i dont like their new amps but i have never had a problem with any of my head units.

[Vtolds]

I think I will stick with the eclipes subs I already picked out and the Eclipes amp since I am getting like a 60% discount.

[FormulaNERD]

yea, you dont want huge sloppy ghetto bass... it sounds like crap.

stick with eclipse.

[Vtolds]

I think I change my mind, about the head unit that is. I have been doing alot of thinking, I kinda like the Pioneer DEH-P3700MP CD receiver with MP3 / WMA playback better than the Alpine. YOu will notice that the Pioneer was one of my top 4 choices, I just think it looks better, it has more features being satellite radio ready and WMA playback and it will just match my car better becuase all of the dash lights and the current CD player light up green so it will match my interior best.

Link if you dont wanna look at the first post.
Pioneer DEH-P3700MP (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-AqcHcTb7pcv/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=62700&I=130DEHP370)

[Vtolds]

I got the one I listed above, looks and works awesome.

Picture, picture, picture.
http://img207.echo.cx/img207/1299/pioneerheadunit1ix.jpg