Performance Mods

[PrImEtImE]

My alero performance is all stock. I need some help in deciding what i should do as far as performance. First two things will be a dual exhaust and CAI. After that I'm kinda lost. I don't wanna to anything crazy but just a few things to make it run better and sound better overall. ANY IDEAS??

[doubleN0alero]

I got an Intake manifold i can sell you pretty cheap...brand new with gasket

[CocoaAlero]

Originally posted by double0alero@Apr 11 2005, 07:11 PM
I got an Intake manifold i can sell you pretty cheap...brand new with gasket
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I thought I remembered someone saying they had one a while back.
If I hadn't blown all my tax money.................

[|Rev|]

hey, I know you offered it to this kid, but I'll take the intake manifold...

Anyways you should do these
Lower it, I don't care if you consider it a cosmetic upgrade, it's pointless to supe up a 4x4 Alero IMO
Intake + Exaust (prefferably at the same time)
Headers
Throttle Body
Intake manifold
that should be good for starters

[doubleN0alero]

Originally posted by CocoaAlero+Apr 12 2005, 12:34 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(CocoaAlero @ Apr 12 2005, 12:34 AM)</div><div class='quotemain'><!--QuoteBegin-double0alero@Apr 11 2005, 07:11 PM
I got an Intake manifold i can sell you pretty cheap...brand new with gasket
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I thought I remembered someone saying they had one a while back.
If I hadn't blown all my tax money.................
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yeah it was me, i've just been too lazy to actually start a thread in the bazaar section...LOL..

[Fast Eddie]

don't do the dual exhaust. it gonna cost more that it will gain, just get a good 2.5" crush bent or 2.25 mandrel bent single exhaust. CAI is good. MAybe move into some pulleys. Port the intake manifold to match the TB. headers if you got the $$. that's not too bad of a start for bolt ons.

[Oldsman]

CAI
2.5 or 2.25 mandrel bent exhaust cat back system
2.3 HO TB
2.3 HO Intake
UR crank pulley
Header
motor mount
B&M or Interceptor

that would be a good start

[PrImEtImE]

thanks for all the help everybody :) and how much would you sell the intake manifold for?

[mfuller]

Sticky tires and better brake pads.

[PrImEtImE]

K, I should be receiving my 2.3HO TB and Manifold soon. Quick question, before I install them, is there anything I should do to clean them up appearance wise, for example powder coat or chrome??? just wondering because I never had anything like this before and I just want everything under the hood to look nice?

[ptrudel]

Originally posted by PrImEtImE@Nov 14 2005, 06:41 PM
K, I should be receiving my 2.3HO TB and Manifold soon. Quick question, before I install them, is there anything I should do to clean them up appearance wise, for example powder coat or chrome??? just wondering because I never had anything like this before and I just want everything under the hood to look nice?
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depends how fany you wanna get...you could polish the intake manifold...i had started but lost hope in the 'ho so dropped the project, its not as shiny as Oldsman's, but its better then the rough finish it's got.

[keepitsimple]

in ur guys opinion do you think the crank pully is worth it? i was looking into it but was undecided.?

[Oldsman]

with other mods yes it is worth it but by itself it is not.

[PrImEtImE]

well I received my 2.3HO TB and manifold which is awesome. Before I install them I have to figure out my charging system problem. Once the TB and manifold are installed I'll have them along with a magnaflow exhaust. I'm starting slowly but surely. Next few things performance wise might be CAI/WAI, interceptor, and once I figure out what type of drop I should give my ride, springs. Than I will get back to appearance which is now just basically mold on body kit and paint job. Pics of my current ride should be up soon.

[Spilner521]

make sure before you install 2.3HO manifold you slot out the mounting holes for the studs and drill the holes lower for the bolts above the studs, and also modify the shape of each port to somewhat match the 2.4's B shape ports, like this:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6908/homanifold4rn.png


Also, for a write up on how to do this correctly, here's a couple links to 2 different articles:


http://www.ny-jbodies.org/library/engine/2...od/2.3homod.asp (http://www.ny-jbodies.org/library/engine/2.4/2.3homod/2.3homod.asp)

For this one you have to register...only takes a minute
http://www.quad4forums.com/forums/showthre...d287d49b0f26d2d (http://www.quad4forums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3252)

[Spy]

my opinion in the end of all things. Crank pully is a waste of time..

however, if you have to upgrade it, and just have the desire to touch everything... 2.3HO crank pulley does the charm too.

[PrImEtImE]

I bought the manifold and TB from an aleromod member and believe he has had it installed in his car for a while so it should be good to go??? thanks for the info i'll make sure to double check

[PrImEtImE]

I will be installing the 2.3 TB and manifold the middle of next week. I did print off the directions from one of the links above. So is there any special modifying that needs to be done for the 2.3 TB and manifold to fit the 2.4 engine or is it pretty simple????

[Oldsman]

the ny-jbodies covers everthing pretty good.

[PrImEtImE]

hey, before I put the manifold in i'm going to clean it up with some degreaser and change the appearance a little bit. What color should I go with if I use a high temp paint??? i'm thinking black or just go over it with some gray??? not sure ideas would be appreciated.....my car is all black exterior and tan leather interior....if not paint what else should I do?

[Oldsman]

you could polish it if you have LOTSSSSSSSSSSS of time. i would recomend powder coating over the spraycan. far as color well depends on if you want it to stand out or blend in. black would blend in. a silver or gray would make it stand out.

i just had mine beadblasted and the cleared with por15. but next time it will be polished or chromed. depends on cost and time.

[PrImEtImE]

cool thanks oldsman. I was wondering how your manifold was looking so clean?? so what kind of hp is it going to give me?? there's no like "potential risks" installing this aftermarket manifold in my car is there??? (just wondering)

[Oldsman]

no risks. unless you install it wrong but still you are just looking at a vacuum leak.

far as a HP gain. well it has never been measured. but you should get 5-7hp with it.

[PrImEtImE]

cool. so than with my magnaflow exhaust, TB, and manifold, what do you think would be a good next performance mod?? possibly thinking of getting the auto trans. interceptor. I do really want the ID intake because I want to get rid of the stock air box but I might wait a while. so before I do anything major what are some other mods I could get done??? (springs and intake probaly a little wait for them).

[Oldsman]

i like the B&M shiftplus over the interceptor.

other mods............hum. well top of the list would be the ID CAI. since you are doing the 2.3 manifold you might want to just go with a WAI for now. not sure if stock air box will work and it might hurt ya also.

the only other things bolt on would be pullies, header. after that then it's inside the motor you could go.

[PrImEtImE]

So you're saying it would be best to wait to install the 2.3 until I get a CAI or WAI but prefferably a CAI?? and the shiftplus is an automatic transmission right and I can keep the same shift knob as I have???

[Oldsman]

being how the TB is completely relocated the factory airbox may not reach the TB. but a WAI would be better and there would still require so modification to get it to work. with the ID it also has to be modified to work. so maybe you should take a look at whether or not you can modify the stock box to reach the TB. to do that just remove the stock manifold and TB and then just sit the 2.3 manifold and TB in place and see what would need to be done. if it will work then install it. if requires some extra mod then reinstall stock manifold and TB. with the stock gasket it can be reused and be no problem.

the b&m does the same as the interceptor. there is a how to on the b&m so maybe read up on it and it is also a lot less in cost.

[Fast Eddie]

Originally posted by Oldsman@Nov 30 2005, 08:03 PM
you could polish it if you have LOTSSSSSSSSSSS of time. i would recomend powder coating over the spraycan. far as color well depends on if you want it to stand out or blend in. black would blend in. a silver or gray would make it stand out.

i just had mine beadblasted and the cleared with por15. but next time it will be polished or chromed. depends on cost and time.
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The pot alum is a pain in the azzzz to polish (and doesn't turn out all that well)the surface is just too irregular, it would also be difficult to paint for the same reason. I powercoated mine (be sure to have it out gassed first), you could also have it chromed, which someone is rather fond of :lol:

[Oldsman]

i have seen a few polished and it looks good but what a PITA to do.


what you trying to say, eddie..................LOL

[Fast Eddie]

If you sand/grind the manny smooth it would probably turn out pretty nice but I'm lazy. just p/c the female dog and call it done, esp when I can do it in the garage :thumb:

as for the chrome it just shows some ppl's age :nana:

[PrImEtImE]

I accidentally stepped on the brand new gasket that was sent with the manifold and cracked off just one of the bracket things that stick out on it...is that going to be a big deal????do they end up needing to clip on to something?? hopefully i'm not going to need to buy another one because I don't know where to?? hopefully not....and also where could I get the shiftplus for the best price......

[Fast Eddie]

Not sure what you broke off but a new gasket can be had from most auto parts places for <$15. Cheap insurance.

[Oldsman]

get a new gasket just goto autozone or pepboys and ask for a intake manifold gasket for a 90 olds cutlass calias with 2.3 HO which is the LGO motor. it is like $10-$12 dollars.

i got my B&M @ jegs.com

[PrImEtImE]

cool, thanks oldsman, and would you happen to know the part# for the shifter?? just so i'm looking at the right one....

[Oldsman]

goto here for all the info

http://invision.aleromod.com/index.php?showtopic=401

[PrImEtImE]

so for everyday driving the B&M shiftplus is cool for everyday driving just as long as I have it on a certain setting??

[Oldsman]

for everyday just turn it off. they only thing i noticed is on the very hot days don't use the b&m because it heats the tranny fluid up too much then it affects the engine temp.

[PrImEtImE]

ya I'll probably go with the B&M because for 40 dollars you can't go wrong. But why is it so much cheaper than the interceptor??? and the on and off switch can it be installed somewhere in the car or do you have to go under the hood to get to it??? lol last question on this until I get it....

[Oldsman]

now why would you install the switch under the hood? maybe install it in the trunk..............lol

it is meant to go inside that way you can flip the switch on or stage1 or stage2.

the interceptor has adjustments rather than preset settings also it is plugs into the harness at the tranny so more to it. meaning more plastic and wiring.

[PrImEtImE]

actually as far as performance I might not get the B&M shifter. I'll just probably go with the TB and manifold, soon a CAI, and possible some springs.............

[PrImEtImE]

so the TB and Manifold that I got is just considered a 2.3 or is there a more specific size for it??? (for personal reference)........is the TB a 62mm??? and for now i'm just going to end up priming the manifold and painting it most likely black.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by PrImEtImE@Dec 4 2005, 08:23 PM
actually as far as performance I might not get the B&M shifter. I'll just probably go with the TB and manifold, soon a CAI, and possible some springs.............
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just incase you are confused...............it is not a B&M shifter but a Electronic Shift improver (like a shift kit). big difference between the 2.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by PrImEtImE@Dec 4 2005, 09:12 PM
so the TB and Manifold that I got is just considered a 2.3 or is there a more specific size for it??? (for personal reference)........is the TB a 62mm??? and for now i'm just going to end up priming the manifold and painting it most likely black.
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they are 2.3 HO manifold and TB. because that is what they came off of and what they only came on.

a HO TB was a 56mm TB.

[PrImEtImE]

so how long approximately would it take to install the manifold, TB, and aem intake. Might be getting it put in this friday. So the TB and manifold are direct bolt on?? and the only modification, if any would be something with the aem intake???

[PrImEtImE]

oh, and also is there anything more that I need to install these parts or can I just use the stock bolts and everything??

[Oldsman]

you need the gasket kit which is like $10. just say it is for 90-91 cutlass calias with LGO motor which is the 2.3 HO

it takes a few hours to do. i think mine took like 3 hours. remeber you have reroute wiring and vacuum hoses.

you will also need a section of hose for the brake booster vacuum line which is the hard pipe going to the TB. you'll have to cut it and then add in the hose.

[PrImEtImE]

cool, I picked up the gasket a while ago, it came with I think the intake gasket and TB gasket. And again thanks alot for all the info. Installations will be this friday, hopefully everything goes well. can't wait, hopefully I can feel the difference. I think this should be a good start performance wise. So Friday night I'll let you know how everything is :yahoo:

[Oldsman]

if you have any problems or questions let me know. i'll give ya my cell number and then i could walk you threw it.

[PrImEtImE]

that would be very helpful just in case we have any questions. I will be at work most of friday but my brother-in-law will be working on my car, but if we run into any problems or need help with something along the way we can give you a call??

[ptrudel]

make sure to get pics of it completed :)

[PrImEtImE]

oh I will, I've had the parts forever so that's the least I can do when it's installed :thumb:

[2fst4u]

and if possible, do a little write up of what went wrong and what went well. i'll be doing the same install in about a week.

[PrImEtImE]

well of course, I had all the parts ready to go. But just today I was offered the chance to have some parts chromed. I will be getting the valve cover, and manifold chromed for sure and whatver else we take out. Might go with a red or just a regular chrome. So the install will have to wait a while. Sorry for the delay because I know everyone wanted to see some pics. :wacko: But the good thing about this is I just have to pay the very small cost for materials, and NO labor. So I couldn't pass this up.....

[charley77]

what do i have to do to get my alero in the 14's?
4cyl auto

[PrImEtImE]

I give up, I didn't end up getting my engine pieces chromed like planned. I guess it was like a one day idea and than never happened :Noooo: That's ok though less for me to worry about. You would think I would have at least installed the AEM intake i've had forever but nope. All three parts are still sitting in my room. My car has been sitting in my garage pretty much all winter, wish I've worked on a car before, I probably could've tried myself. It's either pay to get it installed or wait for some help. People around here offered to help but I never get it done. LOL, I have ur cell# still oldsman I just don't trust myself working on my own car as far as performance parts goes.

[PrImEtImE]

So I e-mailed a local performance shop and hopefully they can work something out with me even though I'd rather not spend the money. Pretty soon I might have to work out something with somebody on aleromod to help me out....lol..which probably wouldn't be a bad idea since there's good number of alero's with this mod.

[2fst4u]

a good number? i count 2. other than me. and everyone uses the 2.4 throttle body. good luck figuring out the throttle cable predicament without pulling the bracket from a 2.3. that's what's holding me up. i went to the junkyard and grabbed one that i hopes works. i'll post up info soon.

[Oldsman]

only reason i used the 2.4 TB was because it was 62mm RSM one.

sometimes you just got to get creative on this crap.

[2fst4u]

well, i got creative alrite. lol. i went to the junkyard today and pulled the throttle bracket from a grand am with the HO 2.3 quad four. my throttle body wheel then needed modified so that the throttle cable was tight, but also allowed the butterfly to close the whole way. big time pain in the butt. i had to use a file to sand the wheel down until it was the right size. everything should be running tomorrow. i hope you don't mind letting your car sit for a little while prime, because this isn't really a one day project. some things you'll have to sit on for a little until you figure them out.


btw, does anyone know if I'm the only one with the 2.3 throttle body installed on an alero? that would be pretty cool, if so.

good luck primetime

[battistoni21]

sorryr to jack this thread, but would the 2.3 throttle body give you more hp other than the 2.4???? im just curious

[ptrudel]

probly not greg..i'm pretty sure i've seen a couple other guys do it...maybe not tho..

i know personally i kept the stock TB from a 2.4, because i'm gettin it bored out to a 60mm here at a local machin shop for $75CAD

the install on just the HO manifold can be done in about 4hours if you've got someone there to hold up the cables/wiring when you're sliding in the manifold...after that its pretty much all good :)

[2fst4u]

the 2.3 throttle body is 56mm as opposed to the stock 52mm throttle body. so, yes, the bigger size is going to give you more horsepower. however, if you go too big with a throttle body, you'll end up bogging your engine down instead of helping it. that's why this one is a good swap.

[Oldsman]

the 56mm is a better fit for most 2.4's modded. you gain hp but don't lose that much torque. while with the 62mm TB you gain more hp but lose torque.

[PrImEtImE]

yet another question...I called up this one mechanic and asked him would he install the parts for me. He made it seem like it would not be worth all the trouble and I would run into problems down the line along with my check light always being on. So he won't do it. Is it true about the check engine light and problems down the line???? I myself wouldn't think so.

[2fst4u]

just do it yourself. i did, and it was well worth it. saved myself a boat load of money. and, no check engine lights yet. i guess i don't have any vacuum leaks. just do it, dude.

[ptrudel]

yeah man...mine's been in almost a full year no lights yet either...just do it, its not that bad

[PrImEtImE]

that's the thing, I'd do it myself but the only thing I'd be able to figure out myself is the AEM intake. As far as the TB and manifold, I would need some help. Oldsman gave me his phone # in case I have any questions, I just don't feel comfortable doing it myself. Just as long as I know that I shouldn't run into any major problems I'll do it.

[2fst4u]

this has gone on way too long man. the guides are out there, just go for it.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero@Mar 27 2006, 08:39 AM
yeah man...mine's been in almost a full year no lights yet either...just do it, its not that bad
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mines been on for i think 2 years runs and acts great.

like everyone else has said just do it.

[ptrudel]

seein as this is a performance mod thread...anybody know if there's a Limited Slip Diff available? If yes, please point me in the right direction lol

[2fst4u]

umm, yeah i think there's one somewhere around here....
let me see....
http://icln.sfcc.edu/mugs/Atec%20Workshops/PSP/ARROWS.GIF
lol

[Cliff8928]

Originally posted by 2000_olds_alero@Mar 30 2006, 03:16 PM
seein as this is a performance mod thread...anybody know if there's a Limited Slip Diff available? If yes, please point me in the right direction lol
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For what trans?

[ptrudel]

lol greg, damn smartass


getrag 5spd from 2000

[Fast Eddie]

JEEZus have ppl just quite even trying to find info out on their own. quaife, team green, and probably a few others offer them.

[ptrudel]

Originally posted by Fast Eddie@Mar 31 2006, 01:22 PM
JEEZus have ppl just quite even trying to find info out on their own. quaife, team green, and probably a few others offer them.
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actually i've been lookin..but when you dont know where the hell to even start its pretty damn hard...sorry for askin a question :rolleyes:

[Cliff8928]

ya, the best option would probably be the Quaife. Only thing is that it's kinda steep for most at $1445. I have a Torsen in my beretta and LOVE it, it too was like $1200.

[PrImEtImE]

For starts I put in my AEM intake. Looks a lot better under the hood now.

[battistoni21]

.......whats next? thats really easy to install......

[PrImEtImE]

Well today we took everything apart and had it all ready to install the 2.3 intake manifold and TB. We ended up deciding it was something that I don't think I'm going to try and install because we weren't sure of how to install it and didn't want to try anything we weren't sure of. I will probably post in the bazaar section and see if anyones interested in the parts.

[2fst4u]

that's really sad. you would have been happy, but you want to wuss out. sell it to batistoni.

[PrImEtImE]

dude chill out. I didn't say for sure i'm never going to install it just obviously not right now. And now that I see couple of dudes interested in buying them at least I know I can get rid of them very soon.

[battistoni21]

i definatley would have jumped on it but i got an RSM intake manifold from nosweat, and im getting my original TB bored out to fit the intake mani prefectly.... thanks for sayin that though greg.......