All The 5speed-3400 Swap Info Anyone Needs

[mike2002]

Its not going to happen, but if your intrested, check this link

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=63950&highlight=speed+swap


because yes, it has been asked 238947230 times, and yes it will cost more than 4x what your car is worth, which is why no private party has done it

can we make this a sticky?

[Youngblood77]

stuck. :cool:

[Redog]

Wrong link?

[Oldsmopimp]

Its been done on a GA bro.

[Youngblood77]

Yeah, it's been done, but holy hell was it expensive..not to mention, last time I heard it STILL wasn't correct. Needed tweeking of sorts? I dunno, but I think Mike's point is that the swap isn't something that can be done as easily as people would think.

I can't wait to see when John's ride gets done.....that car's gonna rock. :thumb:



**Link's been fixed. :cool:

[Cliff8928]

I would estimate that you could possibly get a 5-speed swap in a 3400 for under $1000 if you were doing most of the work yourself and got the parts used. It's really the swap for someone with a garage and an extra car. Unfortunately that isn't most people here.

[jturkey69]

that link is dead now...

[Six Shooter]

Yeah I'd like to see what was in that link, if it all possible.

TIA

[Cliff8928]

I just happened to be tinkering under the hood of my Alero today, and noticed that ALL of the transmission mounts are attached to the engine cradle. That will make a manual swap that much easier for the 3400 if the cradles are different. It's sure a lot easier to swap a cradle than weld in new hard mounts to the frame structure.

[jturkey69]

and now with powertuners, it should make things a little easier i assume?

[burg03]

sounds like a plan

[Cliff8928]

Yes, with a the DHP you should be able to select an option for Manual transmission.

[BlackJack]

as of current release, there is no selectable option for "manual transmission" with DHP, however certain program options can be tweaked to ignore inputs that would normally be associated with automatics, such as torque management, and fuel/timing adjustments based on gear, torque abuse, TCC lock/unlock, etc.

[burg03]

I will be glad when some one come up with a kit for it

[Cliff8928]

as of current release, there is no selectable option for "manual transmission" with DHP, however certain program options can be tweaked to ignore inputs that would normally be associated with automatics, such as torque management, and fuel/timing adjustments based on gear, torque abuse, TCC lock/unlock, etc.

I must've been confusing that with TunerCat which has a M/T check-box (at least on chevy trucks)

[sushko]

so is there any way this can happen because i my freind has a 5 speed that came out of a 3.4L grand-am 2000.
Plus my dads friend can do it if it can be done.

[alerored04]

there was never a 5 speed in a 3400 car, that is the point of the swap. Maybe it is a manual out a 4 banger ga but not the v6. Plus it takes a lot more than knowing a guy that knows about cars, there is a lot of computer stuff that would need to be figured out, that is the major restriction here.

[01GrandAm]

I am going to be attempting the swap in approx a year, but I am slowly gathering info and should have parts by the end of October.

From what I have see is that you need the pedals, shifter, console, shift cables, axels, clutch master cylinder, ect. from a 5 speed 2.4L. Then you must use a 2.2L non ecotec tranny from a cavalier (preferably 2000 + as they are a getrag tranny) the 2.2L ecotec and 2.4L trannys have a different bellhousing/casing so they will not bolt up to the 3400 engine.

s far as the PCM goes, you can disable the following DTC parameters with the Powr Tuner:

• P0704 - Clutch Switch Input Circuit Malfunction
• P0705 - Trans Range Switch Circuit
• P0706 - Trans Range Switch Performance
• P0711 - TFT Sensor Circuit Range/Performance
• P0712 - Transmission Fluid Temperature (TFT) Sensor Circuit Low Input
• P0713 - Transmission Fluid Temperature (TFT) Sensor Circuit High Input
• P0716 - Input Speed Sensor Circuit Intermittent
• P0717 - Input Speed Sensor Circuit Low Input
• P0719 - Brake Switch Circuit Low Input
• P0724 - Brake Switch Circuit High Input
• P0730 - Incorrect Gear Ratio
• P0740 - TCC Enable Solenoid Circuit Electrical
• P0741 - TCC System Stuck Off
• P0742 - TCC System Stuck On
• P0748 - Pressure Control Solenoid Circuit Electrical
• P0751 - 1-2 Shift Solenoid Valve Performance - No First or Fourth Gear
• P0752 - 1-2 Shift Solenoid Valve Performance - No Second or Third Gear
• P0753 - 1-2 Shift Solenoid Circuit Electrical
• P0756 - 2-3 Shift Solenoid Valve Performance - No First or Second Gear
• P0757 - 2-3 Shift Solenoid Valve Performance - No Third or Fourth Gear
• P0758 - 2-3 Shift Solenoid Circuit Electrical
• P0785 - 3-2 Shift Solenoid Circuit Electrical
• P1527 - Transmission Range to Pressure Switch Correlation

Probably not everything that will need to be addressed, however it is a good start.

As for costing more than the car is worth, If you can get junk yard parts,I predict the total swap costing less than a rebuilt auto tranny or about $1500.

Will it be a easy straight forward swap.....No not at all. The subframe will have to be modded to either fit the tranny (if you use the 3400 subframe) or the engine (if you use the 5 speed subframe) The wiring is going to be a challenge for some along with the PCM programming.

[Cliff8928]

What is different on the subframe for the engine? the torque-strut location?

[01GrandAm]

What is different on the subframe for the engine? the torque-strut location?

Not sure yet, something that I am looking into.

[01GrandAm]

Ok so I have paid for the following parts, I will be picking them up on Friday.

axels, console, shifter, pedals, shift cables, clutch master cylinder

It took me forever to find a yard that had these parts, I guess 5 speed grand am's/ Alero's are extremely hard to come by?

[jturkey69]

yes they are!!!...you will have to take alot of pics, and write down alot of info, since there will be peeps knocking down the door to get this done

[Dabode]

I'm currently doing this as well. I do have a second car to drive in the time that it's down. Just trying to locate all the parts right now. me and a friend are going to be working on it. He's a GM small car guru, and his brother will be welding in the mounts.

[jturkey69]

hopefully someone will actually do this swap that can help others who want to do this...who knows...i may try thi next year

[TurboAleroGT40]

Well if you need some help I'm available , I did it to my '99 Alero.

[TurboAleroGT40]

I'm using the Getrag Hm 282 out of a 92 beretta

[Cliff8928]

I'm currently doing this as well. I do have a second car to drive in the time that it's down. Just trying to locate all the parts right now. me and a friend are going to be working on it. He's a GM small car guru, and his brother will be welding in the mounts.

What transmission are you using where you have to weld in mounts?

[mike2002]

Man i cant believe this is still a sticky! i was pretty dang sarcastic two and a half years ago.

ill update it with a valid link, because i think it used to be a link to the search engine...hehe

[Beholder88]

I know, old post, but I have a question. What about the getrag trannys that were on the early 90's V6 cavaliers? Would they bolt up to our 3400's? I think that was before GM started making all their engines in a "family" format, to be swapp-able with multiple trannys and whatnot.

[kwhauck]

as long as you get the v6 bell housing it will bolt right up to the motor......

[Cliff8928]

To generalize, basically the same bellhousing pattern was used on most FWD engines aside from the SOHC/DOHC 4-cylinders.

[kwhauck]

thanks cliff, and do you have a list of getrag 282 vehicles years and motors mated too......or you could probably just quote them off the top of your head.......

[Cliff8928]

Basically anything FWD from 87-94 that has a V6, Quad4 (maybe only HO or better), or Turbo 2.0. However, the V6 ones are the ones that will bolt up to a 3400. The others do have some advantages if you want parts for more aggressive gears though. Somewhere during 1991 (limited production) and for 1992+, all the HO Quads had the 3.94 ratio. Some people want this, but for a 3400 unless you have some crazy tires you're just going to go up in smoke all the time. I can already break traction on GoodYear Eagle F1s from a roll with my basically stock 3400.

The 3.4 DOHC cars have a Getrag 284 which is a bit beefed up. But it's harder to service and uses a more expensive pull-type clutch.

[Midgear]

as long as you get the v6 bell housing it will bolt right up to the motor......

sounds like one of those easier said than done deals.. lol

[Cliff8928]

sounds like one of those easier said than done deals.. lol

Not really. Finding a manual trans to bolt up to the 3400 is easy as pie!

[Vinalero]

Not really. Finding a manual trans to bolt up to the 3400 is easy as pie!


Lmao Cliff, circumstance quote lol

[Beholder88]

Anyone made any progress on this project? Looks like some guys had this in the works, or at least wanted to. Would be nice to see it done and working.

[01GrandAm]

Anyone made any progress on this project? Looks like some guys had this in the works, or at least wanted to. Would be nice to see it done and working.

I forgot all about this thread, however I sold off the 5 speed parts and picked up the 4T65e-HD trans, axles, wiring harness, side mount and PCM code from the GXP Concept Car. I should be working on it sometime this summer as the parts are sitting in my garage along with a second 2000 GAGT. I just need to fab up the front and rear mount as they were already gone :)

[Stiddie]

did anything ever come of this

[kwhauck]

did anything ever come of this

yes and no, mine is almost done, but it got put on the back burner and has been almost done for over a year........so who knows........hopefully before spring. I'm trying to get everything done so that in december I can take the alero to denver to get the new headers reworked....

[ga2001532]

Am in the process of converting my GA over. Am using a getrag 282. I can let ya guys know how it feels.

[Shiwnath]

Am in the process of converting my GA over. Am using a getrag 282. I can let ya guys know how it feels.

Why not the F23? Its apparently an easier swap, more readily available and you'll be able to find lower mileage units because they're more recently made than the 282

[kwhauck]

Am in the process of converting my GA over. Am using a getrag 282. I can let ya guys know how it feels.

good luck, i'll finish mine if I ever get any time..........

[billytheman1188]

good luck, i'll finish mine if I ever get any time..........

story of your life.....:lol: all the years i've been here and i NEVER EVER heard anything about your car and the road in the same sentence. You planning to have this done by 2015? :lol: By then there wont even be gas powered cars;)

[kwhauck]

story of your life.....:lol: all the years i've been here and i NEVER EVER heard anything about your car and the road in the same sentence. You planning to have this done by 2015? :lol: By then there wont even be gas powered cars;)

My car will never be done. I can tell you for sure that my built motor won't be going in for at least two years. I have other priorities like family and finishing school. I will however finish the 5 speed swap this year and then concentrate on getting the whipple hooked up on the stock motor. Then i'll pretty much be content with that until I graduate school......

[01OldsAleroGt]

Sorry to bump a old thread. But just doing research. Has anybody figured out on the cv axels. Will the 2.4 GA axels fit. Or will there have to be custom built

[jawa]

Well if you did a bit of digging. And clicked on the link provided on the first page Then go to the 4th page on the said link, you will find your answer

[xXManwhoreXx]

This needs so much updating the f40 is now the obvious choice

[Shiwnath]

This needs so much updating the f40 is now the obvious choice

Well no.. The title says 5 speed not 6 and everything here pertains to putting a 5 speed getrag into a 3x00 n-body... Theres a list of required parts on Milzy's site for the 6 speed swap.

I still think a 5 speed would be better for drag racing.. The F23 may not be as reliable as the F40 for a V6, but when its comes to drag racing, the general consensus is the less gears, the better.

[kwhauck]

Well no.. The title says 5 speed not 6 and everything here pertains to putting a 5 speed getrag into a 3x00 n-body... Theres a list of required parts on Milzy's site for the 6 speed swap.

I still think a 5 speed would be better for drag racing.. The F23 may not be as reliable as the F40 for a V6, but when its comes to drag racing, the general consensus is the less gears, the better.

I disagree, automatic is the obvious choice for drag racing.....

I'm swapping to a 5 speed simply for fun.......

[xXManwhoreXx]

Auto is much better for drag, std. Is just more fun

[kwhauck]

Sorry to bump a old thread. But just doing research. Has anybody figured out on the cv axels. Will the 2.4 GA axels fit. Or will there have to be custom built

depends on which 5 speed you are using......

[ronnysbray]

Im doing a 6-speed swap in the near future

[sleepyalero]

best of luck :) doin it yourself or?

[xXManwhoreXx]

Hes just going to drop it off somewhere and wait a few years to get it back