Help!

[dark_n_evil]

i have a 99 olds alero 2.4 and am having the problem of snaping my CV joints cause i am pulling to much power.does anyone one know werte i can find upgraded CV joints for it?

[OLDSskool]

I dont think your pulling too much power.. Actually I know your not pulling to much power. LoL. Your problem lies within your "lowered 3.0 inches on fabricated lowering coilovers"... too much stress on them.

[dark_n_evil]

i Found out that i am pulling a little over 70 horse over stock and that the CV joints cant handle that much power. i9 found a company and rescently set up and account with them. they have stage 2 performance CV joints that handle up to 400 horses. but they are for a 99 cavaleir Z24 with the 2.4 QUAD

[jamcllw]

What all do you have done to add 70 HP over stock?

[ptrudel]

Originally posted by jamcllw@May 19 2005, 02:58 PM
What all do you have done to add 70 HP over stock?
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ya no kidding

[sound_xtreme]

yar, ive not had any probs with my CV's being lower than 3 inches.

[AftermathAlero]

yea, lowered vehicles do kill CV joints.. but its a matter of luck too. some have no problems with the CV lowered and some do. My buddies slammed civic would go through CV's for anything. But autozone has their lifetime warranty so that solved the problem.

[cwm33]

my CV joints were probably ready to go....so I sold the car :lol:

[dark_n_evil]

well its not all as hard as many come to think when pulling 70 over stock. but im running RK sport header, 3 inch custom fabricated to dual 4.5 inch muffs, Venom fuel rial uranaim tiped plugs MSD ignition ciol and fuel pump, Ingen cold air intake, 62.mm throttle body, rear O2 simulator, light wieght crank and gear pullies, performance cams with a 410 220, MSD adjustable fuel pressure regulator,an auto trans interceptor, eagle rods and cower flat top pistons,ported and polished and had the heads shaved and had it bored out .020,prted intake manafold, and 138cc injectors and a insert in my cold air intake sysetem called the tornado. Future upgrades are Venom intake front and rear cross drilled and slotted rotors with 4 piston calipers, supercharger with custom made intercooler, put on my body kit,virtical doors, rims and whatever else i can figure to come to mind. its hard when i juggle money betwen the alero and my toyota supra.the supra is nothing great but is getting there slowly. for an 84' its pretty fast with the minor mods on her. alot of the parts have been fabricated from a 99 cavalier z24.our biggest goal is to figure out a way to pull around 400 to 500 horses out of her.

[Youngblood77]

ok, I call B.S. on account of these small subtle reasons. http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/images/smilies/bsflag.gif

1) dyno printout?
2) 3" exhaust on a 4 banger MAKING power? highly doubtful.
3) "had the heads shaved" <---last time I checked, the 2.4 only had 1 head :lol:
4) the fact that you can't spell the word VERTICAL. The fact that vertical is spelled with an E tipped me off aswell, buddy-boy.

Post a dynosheet, and maybe a pic or two of your ride on the dynometer, and you might have a few believers. :)

My best advice is to stop cranking the wheel and doing "1-wheel-peels", and then you might be able to make a CV joint last longer.....

[Grouch]

It's the tornado man the tornado!!

Also, can you shave a head on our engines? I thought the 2.4 head was a zero tolerance head, so shaving it would slam the piston into the valves? Might be wrong on that....

[Youngblood77]

^ that too. The intake tornado being included as an HP adder is kind of rediculous....I'll call that B.S. reason #5. :thumb: :lol:

[sound_xtreme]

dont let marc hear ya say that.

[dark_n_evil]

well youngblood call bs if you want. for i know what i have done and what i have invested in this car. this isnt my first custom ride so dont lecture me. and second i dont care if i spelled vertical wrong or not. i will try and get a copy of my last dyno run on here asap. but as forth of getting it while i am on the dyno i dont have a digital camera yet but will try very soon. and another thing im not dumb enough to just sit and do burn outs all the time for this is an every day driver for me so i try to baby the car alot
but like i said believe it or not im not worried about it i just wanted to know if anyone knows of were i can get some performance cv joints. :P

[Oldsmopimp]

I agree with oldskool.

Its gotta be the coilovers.

[dark_n_evil]

well what can i do for i love how low she sits and handles with these coilovers. iwas going to put airide on it but ive had airride before and dont want it this time

[mfuller]

What've you done to the dampers to control those nifty coilovers? How about spring rates? Inquiring minds want to know.

[Spilner521]

Originally posted by dark_n_evil@May 19 2005, 01:34 PM
i Found out that i am pulling a little over 70 horse over stock and that the CV joints cant handle that much power.
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stock hp = 150 at the crank
+ 70 hp = 220 at the crank
-20% avg. drivetrain loss = 176 to the ground

the stock axles and cv joints will be able to handle that much power. there are turbo cavaliers running above 220hp to the ground on stock axles with no problems. j-body axles arent exactly the same, but pretty similar. so unless you have a manual tranny and are doing 5000+ rpm clutch drops on a daily basis with drag slicks, your axles should hold up just fine. lets see some pics of the mods and a dyno sheet....

[Super White Alero]

You got a set of coilover too :blink: jeez coilover must be easy to come by these days. What it cost ya to make them.

P.S. I smell b.s. on your supra. cuz the most you're cranking out on YOUR supra would be 150 hp max on a 1GTE stock motor.

P.s.s 400+ hp from a quad4??? Did you remember to have roll cage? How about re-enforced cross members? Did you forget unibodies are not built to take that much punishment? Maybe Spring can learn a few things from you. Cuz he building a V6 that trying to pump out 400+ hp.

[dark_n_evil]

well super white you are right about the supra stock is about 150 horses but aperently you have not a clue about the 84s for one its a 5mge inline 6 and they do offer mods for the motor just not a whole bunch that is why i am doing a motor and trans swap with a 7mgte single turbo and 5 speed trans plus the brain and whiring harness.the 7mgte turbo offers around 190 horses to the wheels. as for spring rates its 325 in the rear and 375 in the front. i fabricated a pair from a 99cav z24 from rk sports and didnt have any troubles doing it. as for clutch drops this is only an auto but soon to become a manual. the coilovers were 299.95. oh and super white aperently the only b.s. that your smelling is your own so again if you have no clue as to what your trying to preach then dont bother. i am not looking to impress no one i am trying to find aanswers and talk to others that have the same passion as me and what i do down here with my store. also who said anything about 400 horses that is my goal but i havent reaches it. so far i have replaced my CV joint on the pass. side 2 times now, the first one was defective and now this one.heck i tried to take off at a light and blew the CV joint up the whole case blew!lol and one last thing look ive already been to college for all of this so im not stupid when it comes to carsin know with everything you do you much cuander the results of later effects.

[OLDSskool]

Reading your posts is like trying to split an atom, you REALLY need to learn how to use punctuation and capital letters.

P.S. Best of luck to you with your Alero super machine

[dark_n_evil]

thank you and sorry i try not to fret on puncuation or spelling that much lol.

[Molson]

uranaim tiped plugs MSD ignition ciol and fuel pump, ??

wtf?

Radioactive plugs?

[dark_n_evil]

i take it your not much into performance are you?

[Vtolds]

I think you mean Iridium tipped spark plugs not Uranium

[Molson]

Be a bitch to install uranium plugs,with geiger counter, radiation suit, decon, make it an all day affair?

Me? Peformance? Nah, I just race a 4 banger, had my own 2.4 survive 150k kms of hard driving, on stock CV shafts, and lowered. I can imagine how dual 4.5" mufflers sound. :o

[dark_n_evil]

hmm..... you might be right ...go figure been calling them wrong for years lol! and at 12.95 per plug youd think id get it right

[Vtolds]

Probably NGK plugs?

[dark_n_evil]

well i had the muffs checked on db's last weekend at a car show here in indiana and they registered from 2 feet away 147.9

[dark_n_evil]

i got the plugs from nopi.com

[OLDSskool]

I thought you sold these plugs??

LoL... Molson isnt into performance at all, he knows nothing of the sort... LoL

[dark_n_evil]

i have a jobber account with nopi.com

[Fast Eddie]

well as a racer, shop owner and having built many cars I would think you would know that the best plugs available are good old copper. Thats right they are the best performance plug, since copper has the least resistance. The other plugs are made for longevity, and hence have the highest resistance, so your iradium or whatever are the last choice as far as a performance plug, but they last forever.

How streetable is a 3" NA exhaust? I have 2 1/2" and there is not much power below 3G. Also how did you get the stock ECM (I assume that is what you are running since you did not mention a stand alone) to run with the HO cams? Or mill the head on a zero clearance head? nevermind you have flat top slugs. Where did you get those from? and what CR did they put you at? I'm looking to get some soon.

As for CVs your best bet is to 1. make sure that much drop is not causing rubbing somewhere and if not 2. cryo a set of stockers 3. autozone lifetime qaurantee :)

[dark_n_evil]

i got the Cvjoints from advanced auto with a lifetime warranty but they have seen the car cause alot of them come to my store so they know that she isnt stock. advanced is trying to say that they dint know if they will replace them again if it breaks.
also im not rubbing on anything i think that the caris alot heavier then a cav z24 so i think that if i were to raise it up some that should help. right?

[dark_n_evil]

thats another problem cause i have a program on my laptop that allows for some adjustments but not much.
Around here the cops dont care how loud you are cause if they were to run a db check i would get fined for sure. As for performance, around 2500 rpm's and up is when she really grunts.

[Oldsman]

3" on a N/A is useless. you don't even need it if running 14 psi on a turbo. 3" causes way too much lose of back pressure so the torque loss is way too great and the increase of hp from 2.5 to 3 is very minimal like 1-2 hp.

MSD coil........do you mean the DIS-2 because that does help but doesn't really increase hp at peak hp. it helps in the mid range on the 2.4

lighten gear pullies? are you talking about the cam gears or the alt pully?

MSD FPR..... so did you get the ID adaptor in order to run this. because that is the only way to get that to work. there is only 2 FPR out there that fits our fuel rail. what FP are you running?

those cower pistons must a custom one offs being there are only 2 companies that make pistons for our motor. also who is cower?

how much did you shave the head? shaving the head puts slack into the timing chain if not done to correct specs.

138cc injectors??????????? WTF you aren't getting any gas to your motor. lets say it is a mistype and you meant 338 cc well who in the hell make that rate of injectors being you got 310, 320 and then 440 out there.

i see you are using a lot of RSM stuff like TB, intake, and cams. Now i know you have to be throwing codes with those cams being even JBP cams which are smaller lift can throw codes. also if you shaved the head with the RSM cams did you clay test the motor? i bet not so please let us know when you put a valve into a piston.

I think you are taking the numbers that RSM throws up and just add up the number and figure that is where you are at. because even a hybrid setup puts you at about 200 crank hp. and thats running more compression and a hell of alot better flowing head than what you got.

but lets add the numbers up and that case i should be 85+ hp over stock which would put me at 235 crank hp but realisticly i am sitting 180-190 crank.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by dark_n_evil@May 20 2005, 01:21 PM
thats another problem cause i have a program on my laptop that allows for some adjustments but not much.
Around here the cops dont care how loud you are cause if they were to run a db check i would get fined for sure. As for performance, around 2500 rpm's and up is when she really grunts.
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oh please tell me what program this is.

[nsw151]

im fairly new and quiet, but is "longevity," a word?

[dark_n_evil]

no its not a word but sounded good at the time and as for the program you should still be able to get it from nopi.com ...i cant remember what it was called but it allows for minor adjustments to the motor as for air fuel, timing, rev limit and a few more..

[BlackJack]

Originally posted by sound_xtreme+May 19 2005, 01:13 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sound_xtreme @ May 19 2005, 01:13 PM)</div><div class='quotemain'>yar, ive not had any probs with my CV's being lower than 3 inches.
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[/b]Probably not with it sitting in shows.
Originally posted by Oldsman@May 22 2005, 07:46 AM
those cower pistons must a custom one offs being there are only 2 companies that make pistons for our motor. also who is cower?
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crower?
<!--QuoteBegin-nsw151@May 22 2005, 09:30 AM
im fairly new and quiet, but is "longevity," a word?
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[/quote]hell yeah it's a word, just seldom used, and even then, usually only by someone that's been in the Air Force before.

[ImSoBored]

yeah longevity is a word.

[mfuller]

Let's not feed this troll any more.....we all know he's full of more poop than a sewage treatment plant.

[Oldsman]

Originally posted by mfuller@May 22 2005, 08:41 PM
Let's not feed this troll any more.....we all know he's full of more poop than a sewage treatment plant.
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agreed

[dark_n_evil]

and why would you say that..... cause i dont have a camera and cant prove it.....its funny how everyone is so quick to judge a person especially when you dont even know them

[Fast Eddie]

If you want these ppl to believe you then 1. answer some of the tech questions (like CR, FPR, etc) 2. post some pics or 3. Just speak directly to the questions/ concerns posted.

[dark_n_evil]

i understand that but i cant post pics if i dont have a camera to im not good on the abreviations and i try to answer any questions that are asked

[Grouch]

Originally posted by dark_n_evil@May 22 2005, 11:35 PM
i understand that but i cant post pics if i dont have a camera to im not good on the abreviations and i try to answer any questions that are asked
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Well, here are some of the questions that have been asked and not answered. Don't need a camera for any of these.

1. I thought the 2.4 head was a zero tolerance head, so shaving it would slam the piston into the valves?

2. What've you done to the dampers to control those nifty coilovers? How about spring rates?

3. How streetable is a 3" NA exhaust? I have 2 1/2" and there is not much power below 3G. Also how did you get the stock ECM (I assume that is what you are running since you did not mention a stand alone) to run with the HO cams? Or mill the head on a zero clearance head? nevermind you have flat top slugs. Where did you get those from? and what CR did they put you at?

4. lighten gear pullies? are you talking about the cam gears or the alt pully?

5. MSD FPR..... so did you get the ID adaptor in order to run this. because that is the only way to get that to work. there is only 2 FPR out there that fits our fuel rail. what FP are you running?

6. those cower pistons must a custom one offs being there are only 2 companies that make pistons for our motor. also who is cower?

7. how much did you shave the head? shaving the head puts slack into the timing chain if not done to correct specs.

8. 138cc injectors??????????? WTF you aren't getting any gas to your motor. lets say it is a mistype and you meant 338 cc well who in the hell make that rate of injectors being you got 310, 320 and then 440 out there.

9. i see you are using a lot of RSM stuff like TB, intake, and cams. Now i know you have to be throwing codes with those cams being even JBP cams which are smaller lift can throw codes. also if you shaved the head with the RSM cams did you clay test the motor? i bet not so please let us know when you put a valve into a piston.

10. Name of the program you run on your laptop that allows for some adjustments? Okay you got it from nopi.com, gotta link?

If you did all that stuff to your ride you should understand the abreviations in these questions. If not, which one do you not understand and we will spell it out for you.

[dark_n_evil]

1. well to my knowlege there was enough i didnt do the head myself for i dont have the knowlege so i sent the head to a machine shop to have it done.
2. spring rate is 375 front 325 rear and i left the dampers alone
3. as for the piping i ran fron the header 3 inch to dual resonation chambers then to 2,5 out to the dual 4.5 striat cut performance mufflers
4. the only thing i have done is advance the timing a bitadjust the rev limiter, trans shift points and air/fuel ratio. i havent found anyone who messes with the stock ecms to be able to get anything done with it.i called AEM but all i have gotten from them is well see what we can do. I got the pistons from one of the companies i get products from for my store. they are JE flats for 2.4 grand am. i apoligize for the screw up on names. Here are the specs.
3.583 bore diameter
0.40 ring lands and a relocated top ring land to improve stability
Additionally oversized wrist pins
double spiro-locks
and fitted wring sets
Clearance Information:
Set clearance to =.0035 measuring clearance from .500 from bottom of piston skirt.

5. I got a Unorthodox lightened crank pully, and an AEM alt pulley
i havent found any cam gears yet
6.the FPR i installed was done bye the intructions that rk sports offer and didnt need a adaptor.
the fuel pump is a MSD high flow fuel pump. This high pressure/high flow fuel pump has a roller vane pump mechanism which is extremely resistant to clogging and jamming. The pump mounts in-line (out of fuel tank).
also im not running a stock fuel rail im running a venom fuel rail.
specs:
large bore
billit fittings
and they are 45% larger than OEM spec rails.
6. the injectors are by venom and ther are 338cc injectors
Specs:
Internal O rings are manufactured of advanced polyelastomer compound which is resistant to the higher heat.
injector coil is molded of aerospace grade material.
electrical plug has solid copper terminals to increase current flow to the coil.
filter basket is A fine mesh strainer protecting against fuel contaminants
7.oh i have been throwwing codes left and right dont get me wrong and it has really screwed with the motor to the point im not getting the horses i could but i am slowly but surly getting everything done just takes time and money plus when owning a store i cant just work on my car and no one elses. This project is about 1 1/2 years in the making plus i juggle time between this and the supra cause im setting the supra up for drift racing nothing major me and a few guys go into the hills and do down hill drifting. My soon to be wife drifts herself. she is runig a 91 nissan 240 and is better at it then alot of the guys who goes.

[Oldsman]

i see some things changed from your first listing. good job :thumb:

[Fast Eddie]

damn guys you all realize that you can mill piston tops to make them work with a milled head right? as long as the numbers are small.

Of course in answering the Qs you sound like a catalog not a tuner.

My main issue is with those mods (lightened crank, pulleys, header, CAI) you are not going to make 70 HP.

of course if you are still looking for CV's you could contact a driveshaft Co and see if they can hook you up. try driveshaft.com. Or just cryo a set like a reccommended a few pages ago.

[dark_n_evil]

thank you for the link for the CV joints.
and they asked for details so i gave them lol