TURBO ALERO QUESTION(S)

[AleroSS]

Hey, is there anybody on the board who is close enough to Turbo (and/or) ecotec guru status that could help my buddy with some questions about turbo'ing his 2.2 alero, or if there are any worthwhile kits out there??? Thanks a lot guys.

[Final-Reality]

Exploited Racing (http://www.exploitedracing.com/turbo.html) has an ecotec turbo kit available. It was designed for a cavalier but it should work fine on an n-body. Just check with them to make sure...

Hahn Racecraft (http://www.hahnracecraft.com/index.htm) also has a kit available that is supposed to put an exellent ~220-230HP down to the wheels, although the kit isnt listed on their site yet as it's brand new. Hahn is a vetran in the turbo kit business and would probably be the best way to go for reliability and support. He'll have to contact them for further information though... if he doesnt know what he's doing or what he's talking about he'll have to have somebody install it for him, too..

(And if he can't look up on google companies that offer turbo systems for the ECOTEC than he most likely doesn't know what he's doing...)

[b-spot]

Originally posted by Final-Reality@Feb 2 2004, 03:08 PM
(And if he can't look up on google companies that offer turbo systems for the ECOTEC than he most likely doesn't know what he's doing...)
ROFL!

[havik]

I emailed some companies that make Ecotec turbo kits and will post information as I receive it.

(all found on google :D)
http://www.cavalierconnection.com/Ecotec_turbo.htm
http://www.twistecproducts.com/eco1.htm

[AleroSS]

Originally posted by Final-Reality@Feb 2 2004, 04:08 PM
(And if he can't look up on google companies that offer turbo systems for the ECOTEC than he most likely doesn't know what he's doing...)
As far as this statement goes dude, he was looking to find info from other people who have boosted their ecotecs to dicuss things such as safe psi levels on our engines, and what "recipes" make for the best results. I know for a fact that our site, and GrandAmGt.com has very little on boosted Ecotecs, most people on our site, and the GA site are mainly discussing boosted 3400's and not L61's (the code for ecotecs). I have told him about resources such as Corky Bell's book "Maximum Boost" or whatever it is called, but I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions, cuz I for one dont know all that much about turbo's, and dont care to know...

[Final-Reality]

He'd be better off looking at j-body.org then...

As far as I understand it though on a stock engine, it can't handle more than say 6psi of boost because of fuel issues.

If you upgrade the fuel system properly (larger injectors, an FPR, fuel pump) the stock internals can probably withstand 10psi safely...

[havik]

Here's the response I got back from twistedproducts (pm me for their email address)


Hello there. We would imagine that if a few i/c tubes were left to be adjusted with a hose and clamps the kit would fit. We would even be interested in installing it at a discount to answer those questions. We are in northern Ohio. Let us know. 440.323.8555

Sounds like they are unsure at the moment but are willing to try (for a discount :o )

[AleroSS]

he claims that the safe level for our fuel system is about 4-6 (closer to 6) psi from what he's been told, but that our stock rods and pistons are safe to about 14 psi.... anyone wanna comment on that?

[Final-Reality]

Read my comment above, to keep it daily drivable with stock gas I prolly wouldnt go anything above like 10-12psi, with just an upgraded fuel system

[belowu]

landon i told ya, just fill up your tank with grains of rice it will all work out :D either that or return it to stock and buy yoruself a mini B)

[Final-Reality]

bunny that noise... the ECOTEC has pooploads of potential, just requires more money to get started since it wasnt designed to handle boost in the first place (simple things like rods & pistons need to be replaced), like so many performance cars' engines are today (Subaru WRX, Austin Mini, just two examples of many)

[havik]

any other questions your friend might have landon :D

[AleroSS]

anyone care to share their opinions on these two kits and bang for the buck amount?

http://www.exploitedracing.com/turbo.html - stage II
vs.
http://www.hahnracecraft.com/auto/Cavalier/Ecotec.htm

keep in mind the first kit does not come with a fuel pump, ic, etc...

[b-spot]

Oh man I want the Hahn. Whats it price out to? I was getting alot of dead links on their site.

[AleroSS]

its priced around 3500 if i remember correctly... more numbers when I talk to my buddy tomorrow...

[Final-Reality]

The hahn kit is more proven I believe than the exploited kit, and they're a more reputable company... I'd probably save and go with the hahn kit too.

230 crank HP (sorry earlier in the thread I think I said it would be wheel horsepower but it's at the crank) at just 8psi is pretty damn impressive...

[havik]

The Hahn kit looks more impressive but...

*Some products listed are legal for sale or use in CA only for racing vehicles which may never be driven on a public highway.

Is that Canada or the abbreviation for a state (CA = California?)

btw, here is the response I got back from cavalierconnection:

Thanks for your e-mail. I know the turbo kit will fit the engine, but I am not sure about the Alero body because I have not tried it personally. I would imagine that the Alero should have even more underhood room that the Cavalier.
As far as performance, we are gaining about 10 hp for each pound of boost we give the engine. If we preset the waistgate to 6 psi, then we gain about 60hp and so on. The Ecotec engine is good to about 14 psi with it's factory stock rods and pistons. The Garrett T3 turbo we use is good to 20+ psi. However, anything over about 4 psi and you will have to upgrade the fuel system. You can do that with an FMU, inline fuel pump, and larger fuel injectors.

[Final-Reality]

CA = California, has to be CARB approved to be used there, it's basically an excuse for the CARB commitee to charge insane amounts of money for something as simple as a CAI for "approval"

[AleroSS]

sorry guys i think i messed up, the hahn is closer to 5500...

[d00fN00BeR]

That would be sweet to have. Think about it, you roll up to some kid in his riced out Civic Si and give him a look or something. "Hey, did your granpa finally let you borrow his car?" Then the light turns green and WAAAAAAAAAAAA PSSHHH and you're gone. Ultimate sleeper material. I hope that they do more experiments, because I'm very interested in boosting mine. I'm going to look into this a lot, and if I find any more info I'll post it on here (you do it too if you find any plz :D )

[havik]

Originally posted by d00fN00BeR@Feb 22 2004, 01:33 PM
Think about it, you roll up to some kid in his riced out Civic Si and give him a look or something. "Hey, did your granpa finally let you borrow his car?" Then the light turns green and WAAAAAAAAAAAA PSSHHH and you're gone. Ultimate sleeper material.
:thumbsup:

[Final-Reality]

Originally posted by havik+Feb 23 2004, 02:59 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (havik @ Feb 23 2004, 02:59 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-d00fN00BeR@Feb 22 2004, 01:33 PM
Think about it, you roll up to some kid in his riced out Civic Si and give him a look or something. "Hey, did your granpa finally let you borrow his car?" Then the light turns green and WAAAAAAAAAAAA PSSHHH and you're gone. Ultimate sleeper material.
:thumbsup: [/b][/quote]
:rolleyes:

[havik]

let him dream

['04 aler-ho]

i believe there is a kid on j-body that has 14 or 15 i believe on his eco. he added an extra injector befor his t/b.

[wy3134]

What exactly are you talking about 04 aler-ho?

['04 aler-ho]

to prevent leaning out he installed a bung for a fuel injector like 3" from his t/b. and when the boost climbed it added extra fuel to prevent detonation. i think it was a mustang injector

[wy3134]

hmm I would like to see a picture of this or a drawing of how exactly this is done, never heard of such a thing before...

[AleroSS]

speaking of fuel management do you know if us eco aleros have any options for fuel management, or what equipment we can use for reprogramming, etc

[wy3134]

anyone know close to how much the stage 2? hahn kit costs, or do they only have one stage right now? im not gonna be buying their kit for some time so i dont feel like calling and wasting their time on info, anyone have any additional info other than whats on their website?