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Hellfire5670 10-28-2011 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiwnath (Post 600287)
LOL Ambitious are we? The 3800 supercharger WILL NOT fit on the 3400s.. Theres the super rare Magnuson M62 kit that fits out engine but there is only 18 in existence.

The only turbo kit that you can buy is made my Milzy Motorsports. It costs somewhere around $4000.

Pacesetter is known for rusting from what I recall, but they sound decent.


if i do recall there is a turbo on one of the aleros at the junk yard... maybe ill harvest that
and what about a engine swap from 3400 to 3800? will it fit?

[ion] C2 10-28-2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellfire5670 (Post 600298)
if i do recall there is a turbo on one of the aleros at the junk yard... maybe ill harvest that

Highly unlikely. Take pictures for us.
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Originally Posted by Hellfire5670 (Post 600298)
and what about a engine swap from 3400 to 3800? will it fit?

Yes..


Hellfire5670 10-28-2011 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by [ion] C2 (Post 600299)
Highly unlikely. Take pictures for us.

Yes..



i shall if i go out there and if its worth that much then ooo
but maybe ill just get a GTP engine

Shiwnath 10-29-2011 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Hellfire5670 (Post 600300)
i shall if i go out there and if its worth that much then ooo
but maybe ill just get a GTP engine


The GTP engine doesnt just swap right in... It takes a lot a skill and knowledge to get one it work in our cars.

Black_Mamba 10-29-2011 11:22 AM

Cams for a 3400 alero? :wacko:

Shiwnath 10-29-2011 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Black_Mamba (Post 600312)
Cams for a 3400 alero? :wacko:


Yes...cams. Two places to buy from:

http://wot-tech.com/shop/valvetrain/cat_100.html

or

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva...3x00camNA_cast

Black_Mamba 10-29-2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiwnath (Post 600313)



I didnt know that thanks for the links

Shiwnath 10-29-2011 12:27 PM

No prob, if you're looking for 3400 parts, those two site are the best place to get them from. they offer awesome stuff like ported intake manifolds, larger throttle bodies, ported heads, cam, pistons. You can basically rebuild your engine from ground up from the parts from one of those sites. WOT-Tech is more favored on this site, but I don't see a problem with what Milzy offers.

Black_Mamba 10-29-2011 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiwnath (Post 600318)
No prob, if you're looking for 3400 parts, those two site are the best place to get them from. they offer awesome stuff like ported intake manifolds, larger throttle bodies, ported heads, cam, pistons. You can basically rebuild your engine from ground up from the parts from one of those sites. WOT-Tech is more favored on this site, but I don't see a problem with what Milzy offers.


Yeah I just spent the past half hour or so looking through MMS's site. Deffenitly gonna save up and start my build around feb or march after winters long and gone. WOT-tech is alright too but im favoring MMS a little more but thats just my opinion. I dont have a problem with either of them :coolio:

Gr1m 10-29-2011 02:25 PM

from personal experience i would order my parts through WOT. just my 2 cents.

kwhauck 10-29-2011 07:00 PM

Numbers and customer service mean wot-tech>mms by a LONG shot.....

xXManwhoreXx 10-30-2011 11:18 AM

Im not going to start a fight here but wot tech sucks

Hellfire5670 10-30-2011 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Shiwnath (Post 600301)
The GTP engine doesnt just swap right in... It takes a lot a skill and knowledge to get one it work in our cars.


i know its going to take a lot of work... i have gone engine swaps b4 and i know im going to need the ecu and everything else that comes the a 3800 is there anything else i need to know?

Shiwnath 10-30-2011 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by xXManwhoreXx (Post 600371)
Im not going to start a fight here but wot tech sucks


Yeah, but you can't just say WOT-Tech sucks without backing it up. Is there a particular reason why? Have you ordered parts from WOT-Tech or MMS?

Also it doesn't matter if you're not trying to start a fight, you're still going to get flamed for it.

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Originally Posted by Hellfire5670 (Post 600375)
i know its going to take a lot of work... i have gone engine swaps b4 and i know im going to need the ecu and everything else that comes the a 3800 is there anything else i need to know?


The Stock 4T45 transmission that comes with the 3400s aren't designed to handle a lot of power. The supercharged 3800 come with a 4T65-HD transmission that can handle much more power than the 4T45. So If you're doing an engine swap you should also be doing a transmission swap so your transmission doesn't fail. Also there is more aftermarket parts available for the 4T65-HD as well.
MMS has a tranny swap kit available. It has a list of the parts that are needed, but you may be able to find some of the parts for less elsewhere:
http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva...e=4t45to65conv

kwhauck 10-30-2011 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xXManwhoreXx (Post 600371)
Im not going to start a fight here but wot tech sucks


You are just still mad about the headers, suck it up pansy......

Hellfire5670 10-30-2011 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Shiwnath (Post 600377)
The Stock 4T45 transmission that comes with the 3400s aren't designed to handle a lot of power. The supercharged 3800 come with a 4T65-HD transmission that can handle much more power than the 4T45. So If you're doing an engine swap you should also be doing a transmission swap so your transmission doesn't fail. Also there is more aftermarket parts available for the 4T65-HD as well.
MMS has a tranny swap kit available. It has a list of the parts that are needed, but you may be able to find some of the parts for less elsewhere:
http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva...e=4t45to65conv


so i need this kit right? Or could i just get other parts?

Shiwnath 10-30-2011 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellfire5670 (Post 600411)
so i need this kit right? Or could i just get other parts?


You dont need this kit, but it makes everything a lot easier because it's the only all-in-one solution.

For the bare minimum, I would say you would atleast need the transmission mounts which can be bought without having to buy the whole entire kit.

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva...-body4t65eConv

Maybe even the axles as well:

http://www.milzymotorsports.com/miva...body4t65eAxles

Just realize that doing a 3800 swap is going to cost a lot of money and you're probably better off just beefing up the 3400. Let's say you spend 7 grand doing all this work.. thats 7 grand you could have put into the 3400 and make it much more faster than a stock sc'd 3800

guiguilandry 10-31-2011 12:00 AM

ha, I love when someone put pictures of my car... it makes me a little proud... Doing this swap is very costly and time consuming... that is unique for sure and that is not the best bang for your buck if you leave the 3800 stock, believe me, to get this going under 5grand you gotta do it all yourself (pretty intensive wiring, new plate and tube frame a bigger exhaust and something to manage the engine vital parameter... the gauges arent there only for showoff... nones of the stock gauge work with the 3800 pcm, new axles, bigger radiator, better front brakes, custom engine mount, custom P/S lines, custom everything, etc...

Doable, yes
But you gotta be as crazy as me to do it....

xXManwhoreXx 10-31-2011 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by kwhauck (Post 600396)
You are just still mad about the headers, suck it up pansy......


Hell yea im mad about the headers.... Milzy announced them than made them, wot tech announced them...... Years ago and still hasnt done anything

03Sleepr 10-31-2011 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by xXManwhoreXx (Post 600423)
Hell yea im mad about the headers.... Milzy announced them than made them, wot tech announced them...... Years ago and still hasnt done anything


I could announce that I'm making headers and have a set done in a matter of days..doesn't mean they will be worth a damn..I'd rather wait a little while for some tested and proven headers than throw money at the first thing that comes along.


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