Quick Opinions Needed!!
 

I got my 6.5s replaced, and the new ones have a lightly larger basket, magnet, and depth.

So I have to grind the hole bigger in the 4x6 spot to fit them. (no biggie) but they mount, with the adapter plate) and are still like an 0.5" off the plate, while touching the window frame behind the speaker.

My question, do i go ahead and mount them like that... or should I cut out the plastic old speaker "grille" and flush mount them in the door.

This is what they look like...


and I have the option of these grilles... (i'm leaning toward the spider, but the mesh would look cleaner and provide better protection)


I kinda want to mount then infront of the door, since the last ones were apparently mounted incorrectly, and the woofer rubber tore because of that. mounting upfront would prevent that completely... but it might look like ass.. hence my asking.

really.... nothing? (i know its a short term bump... but i'd like to get some kinda response...)

You taking about cutting out the 4x6 plastic grill that is on the door panel itself or ?

Come on! I replied over a minute ago :lol:

yes. remove that, and put the speaker in its place. so the front of the speaker is on the front of the door.

Sure like a kick panel speaker size without the kickpanel? I would just get kickpanels. They protect aren't too costly and look good. I like the upgrade idea but I would just keep both and have some amazing front speaker sound as long as you got something in the trunk that the girls like to ride if you know what I mean.

...and now its been 2 mintues since i replied! come'on dude! :lol:

Refresh jerk I am not gonna type it again :lol:

The anger is killing me haha

essentially... mounted like this, just w/o the fiberglassing...



... or the crossover...

It could look good if it has that angle just right but right now you still have the door panel like stock which is has its pros and cons. Its personal choice boss but I think something looks good when it appears to grow in size. It "looks" like 4x6s going into 6.5s. Got me?

can't say i follow....

from the doors to the kick panels. Kick panels are larger speaker size. What do you have in the door panels right now?

right now? nothing. i HAD the last set of 6.5s in there, but one tore, so i had them replaced. These new ones are the warranty replacements, and are a little larger, since the old ones, were the discontinued verisons.

i can't go with kick panels, since i'd always have my left foot resting on it...

Oh then yeah I would go with something like the spider design but not the spider. The mesh is okay but I think it looks a little too large microphonish

those are the two that came with it... so its all i have to work with right now... :lol:

but given the situation, your saying mount them on the outside, instead of behind the door?

shit...shit...shit.

now i've got some problems... mounting on the outside will look dumb, unless i'm missing something with how it'll fit. (damn curvy speaker part)

(i'm not looking to invert mount, thats just to show the size difference between the hole, and the speaker front)

again.. size difference...

and just mounting it as is, behind the door will result in the same issue i had before, since the woofer still touches part of the door.


I don't know how to fiberglass, so making new pods is out. (no time, money, skills) and if i want to mount them on the inside, i have to cut out alot of the the extra metal (the white traced line) just so they won't touch the door plastic and tear again.... :mad2:


anyone know what to do? Please tell me i'm missing something here, and its much easier then it looks....

so i'm wondering how i could smooth out the front and flush mount them (w/o having them point toward the firewall and look dumb)

or if i'm really stuck cutting out all that metal?

I think someone mentioned Kickpanels but that idea was thrown out hmmm. :lol:

I guess you will have to cut metal unless you think the mount will be good enough with the speakers inverted.

yeah... definitely don't want to invert them. if i was richie, i could pull it off... but since i am not, and i don't have that kinda work done...

seriously...


where does my foot go then? i have nearly 4' long legs.. i'm not gonna sit there w/ it bent all the time. and in the winter, i bet it'll be good for my boot to be sitting on top of the speaker, dripping salty sludge on it. yeah, no. can't do kicks.

stumped on this one lol..

it looks like even if you did cut the metal out and mount it on the inside.. would the magnet on the speaker clear everything in the door?

I just dont see that speaker fitting in the 4x6 hole.. not because of size.. but because of how the area on the door panel is shaped.. its def. gonna take a bit of work-

i can mount as is, right now. but the woofer rubber makes a slight contact w/ the plastic inside the door. which is what ruined the first pair... so i don't want to do that again. :glare:

so it fits... just not properly.


still looking for input/info/help as to if i'm even doing this right. anyone who has done this before... please?

Why not just mount it to the out side of the panel....in post 16 in the top pic, just flip it around then put the grill over it to fill it in. The alternative is cutting the metal to flush it, or maybe cut just enough to push it an exceptable back from the door panel.

it wouldn't mount flat... the basket is just too big. i'd be cutting into the plastic on each side, which would result in a leveling/angling nightmare. if i could, i certainly would.

Welp looks like you going to have to cut the metal, I would save it so that if you wanted to you could get it welded back in. Shouldn't take long to cut that with a dremel. It also depends on how much work and time you are willing to put into this cause the ideal thing to do would be to glass it into the door.

yeah... i might have to go to that.... at some point. right now, i'm gonna have to cut. *sigh*

i'd glass, if i had more time/money. I could certainly learn, but w/o the first two, i don't even want to try.

but for the guys who glass.... how do you mount the glassed part?? obviously you gotta remove the whole plastic part, by cutting those plastic rivets... but how do you reattach it?

Hey Einstein...

Make a 3/4 MDF Baffle up!

Mount the baffle to the door, mid to the baffle.

Dont cut the shit out of your sheet metal. Then the stock stuff will never go back on. Sounds like you will be hitting the window track anyhow...

If the baffle deal wont work...

Get new mids... Or get to glassing. No other option.

ok... can you clarify what you mean by "make a 3/4 mdf baffle"??

i have a 4x6-6.5" speaker adapter plate... even with that, the speaker mounts right into place just fine, BUT the woofer is still against the plastic on the inside of the door... which is what caused the first rip. So how to i avoid that issue the second time? maybe put a small ring over the speaker between that and the door plastic??

Oh I didnt know you had an adapter.

But with the MDF you can choose your location a bit better...

Like you could move it to the back more, giving yourself more room.

i'd need to move it forward (toward the engine) if they are gonna clear the window/brace and not hit the door....

maybe i can sand the inside plastic a little to keep it away from the woofer... hmmm

well how much clearence do you need?

are we talking like less than 1/4"? if so i say just get something to put between the speaker and door

dynamat? peel 'n' seal(whatever that cheapo lowes stuff is)?
^^(just throwing out ideas that popped into my head at 4 in the morn)

I dont see why you are having so much of an issue.

True my mids were only 5 1/4" but I built up a rather decent sized fiberglass adapter on the same angle as the 4X6 plastic piece.

Get so pics of the big plastic adapters and inside the door panel. Forget what it looks like.

Or better yet drive you car over here. I got some free time today.

ya. i wish. i'm in my bro's wedding today.

i did get them in, just had to do a little cutting. I know... i can't go back to factory equip, but i'm driving this car into the ground, and then selling it for scrap metal.. so i don't care that the 4x6s won't fit anymore.

the doors are back together (but the passanger side one rattles so i gotta fix that one of these days) but i can tell you exactly where the issue was.

With the adapters in place, and right where the 4x6s were, the woofer rubber was touching the door plastic where the outer ridge of that pseudo grille is. Its a raised bumpy edge on the inside with those plastic rivets.

I drilled the rivets out, and resealed them with epoxy, so they were more flush, instead of melted plastic. Cut the inner most plastic section out, where it could possibly have contacted the rubber, as well as moved the woofers down, and forward more so its not contacting the speaker at all.

The adapters i got are similar to this..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/4x6-t...mZ360075736781


the woofers are in, but i haven't found a way to mount the tweeters yet. I had the last ones siliconed in, but i don't want to do that again... i have an idea, but i still gotta play with the "how" part.

and ryan, the new xovers have push down screw terminals. (a hole where you put the wire, then the screw comes down to hold it in place) is there any kind of wire adapter that works best for those, or just use bare leads? I was having a hard time getting them to stay in place....

can't wait to see it. I'm looking into the same thing myself. My dad has a audio shop, he's gonna help me with this.

They have some straight plugs that should work.

Dont you work at rat shack?

i do. i just never saw, or used these kind of plugs... so i wasn't sure which type to use...

why cant you just cut the metal on the door panel like i had to do with my kenwoods

thats what i did... but i wanted to see if there were any other options...

Owned by not reading....:p. Cherry did you end up taking all that metal out to get them to work, and why not re-silicon the tweeters in just from the inside of it. Oh....where are the pics?

i didn't take any pics... cuz the work is uugglllyyy. :lol: luckily the door/adapter plates hide it. Not half assed, just not "quality" either.

and the new tweeters aren't just solid, they can swivel. so i think i need to dremel out the sails a bit more and make a pseudo mounting plate for them to sit on, then have the sail fit over that... so i can still reach in and adjust the angle of the tweeter from the front of the sail. (also help with direction of the tweet... so ryan doesn't get angry again) :lol: