11-04-2006, 08:13 PM
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Jack-Wagon
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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Traction problems
Ok, I already know where I wanna go with the suspension, and I already know that some of the measures I want to take will get rid of that problem (or at least reduce it).
So far, I have the ass-end raised up and stiffened which reduces weight transfer. Coming soon is front-end tie down.
I have put wider tires on the front (not drag radials though).
Here's the issue. I can hook-up and move out off the line just fine, because the turbo doesn't start spooling until 500 RPM's off launch, but on the 1-2 shift when it's hammered and winding out will just break loose and cook the rubber off the tires and never get traction again unless I let off the gas pedal. This kinda sucks, especially since my tranny doesn't exactly have what I'd call a high torque gear ratio. I'd expect this behavior from a 3.26 or 3.29 gear, but with a 3.05, it should allow the tires to hook up when shifting. Maybe I should back the high RPM's down from 7k?
If anyone out there knows of any N-body products that will assist with traction, I'd appreciate it. I'm not a suspension guru, and to tell the truth, I honestly thought the transmission would give before just cooking the meats off it in second.
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11-04-2006, 08:30 PM
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Canadian... Eh?
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Nova Scotia, Canada
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use the traction control thats on the car... haha, j/k thats f*ing usless, I turn it off as soon as i start the car.
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11-04-2006, 08:42 PM
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Jack-Wagon
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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hahaha, good try, but my car isn't equipped with the factory traction control system. Right now, the only traction control I have is my foot.
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11-04-2006, 08:46 PM
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Keepin it Real
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Alexandria, VA
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you PM mfuller yet? he's the suspension whiz. i got nothing for ya except...turn down the boost?? lol
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11-04-2006, 08:52 PM
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Jack-Wagon
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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gawd...I never thought this would be a problem this soon into the game.
On second thawt......I guess I should have seen it coming when I went balls-out on the goodies.
You got his email? I dont think he comes on here much anymore...or at least doesn't post all that often.
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11-04-2006, 10:44 PM
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V.I.P. Member
Join Date: Nov 2003
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quality of tires would help alot, suspension limiters as well, but first get something sticky on the front end(TIRES) ya sicko
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11-05-2006, 12:48 AM
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Jack-Wagon
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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yeah, I figured at least 255/45 Z-rated should help me grab the asphault a little better...and as I was saying, tying the front end down (suspension limiters, as you said).
Summit has aircraft cable with weld-on tabs and quick release pins. I can drive normal around town and put the pins in at the track.
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11-05-2006, 01:47 AM
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AutoCross Alero
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Texas
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actually, a higher gear ratio creates less wheel spin. and are you in full boost when you shift?
put longer bump stops in the rear suspension to keep the rearend from dropping down. you might even go as far as setting up a wheely style bar to keep the weight from transferring backwards.
Last edited by jabartram : 11-05-2006 at 01:52 AM.
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11-05-2006, 02:30 AM
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Jack-Wagon
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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yeah, I know the thing about gear ratios, and with 3.05 I shouldn't have near that much spin...I guess it just has that much power. Never thought there was such a thing as too much.
Currently, I dont have any problem with the rear squatting down, I have problems with the front end raising up, which is where the wheel hop is coming from. A/C cables will take care of that, but I need more detailed info on things like bushings, stabilizer bars, etc that will help put some resistance on the front end raising up.
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11-05-2006, 02:43 AM
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Moderator
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It's possible the aluminum control arms may help. Other than that I would think to change all the bushings to urethane. Do you have a limited slip yet? If not, that should help.
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11-05-2006, 09:43 AM
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AutoCross Alero
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: South Texas
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Is you car lowered?
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11-05-2006, 08:23 PM
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GL Member
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Minnesota
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With all the work/money you dropped into this you should have just made it RWD 
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11-05-2006, 09:08 PM
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GX Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Coldfire
With all the work/money you dropped into this you should have just made it RWD 
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LMAO 
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11-05-2006, 11:39 PM
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Jack-Wagon
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Houston, TX
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heh......are you kidding? I have less than $15k including purchase price in it, and I'm eating $30-40k cars like they're nothing 
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