Rebuild Underway!! - Page 3

Oldsman · 05-23-2007, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by spyhunter

You're supposed to search, how do you think I managed to figure all this stuff out? Just asking for everybody to answer for me? I've had people volunteer more WRONG answers to me than right ones. DOHC_Tuner is always willing to provide an answer, but his grasp on things isn't all that good from what I have been seeing. So you have to search around talk with people that actually DO know, and come up to what works out best for you.

A M E N!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NoSweat83 · 05-23-2007, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Spilner521

High compression pistons and the 086 head don't mix unless you also plan to run C16 on a daily basis. It's either one or the other and then you'll need to use 91 or 93 octane, whichever one is the highest you can get. Also, when you raise the compression, boost is pretty much out of the question.

So you can A) raise the compression with either the 086 head or high compression pistons and go all motor or B) keep stock or drop compression and go with boost.

I'm not trying to steer you away or anything, but the 086 head is not the hands down answer to a high flowing head. Getting the stock head ported will provide much better flow than the 086 and you won't have to worry about all the problems with high compression or thicker head gaskets. There's also other cam options out there, so you're not limited to only the HO or secret cams.

The 086 head stock will out flow a 2.4 ported and polished, check the flow numbers.

Oldsman · 05-23-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Headstrong2740

yeah i figured that but i was hoping maybe some one had a link to a place i could buy the cam... i searched for four hours today on my laptop and basically wanted to throw it out the window. I went to GM parts Direct but the engine code on the 2.3 they had was "d" and i think its supposed to be an "A" ... or am i wrong and thats the cam i want? cause if it is the one i want... i want those 3:55 minutes of my life back

but yeah i plan on buying the HPtuner and yeah if you can send the gm flash that would be pretty f-ing hot

LOL

dood you might have been looking for 4 hours but you have no idea what the hell your looking for.

http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17747

http://www.quad4forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=694

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.ph...25334&t=325334

http://www.n-body.net/forums/viewtop...ht=secret+cams

For this swap you need the 95 2.3L intake camshaft, *VIN D #24574239 and the LO (LD2) 93-94 Quad 4 exhaust cam, *VIN D #24570698.

Headstrong2740 · 05-23-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Oldsman

dood you might have been looking for 4 hours but you have no idea what the hell your looking for.

http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17747

http://www.quad4forums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=694

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.ph...25334&t=325334

http://www.n-body.net/forums/viewtop...ht=secret+cams

For this swap you need the 95 2.3L intake camshaft, *VIN D #24574239 and the LO (LD2) 93-94 Quad 4 exhaust cam, *VIN D #24570698.

haha i thought so.. i have the right exhaust... but wow i did find the right intake.. just for some reason i could have sworn it was supposed to be a VIN A... haha oops!! lol no wonder it was not coming up... well guess ill be ordering that now......

Headstrong2740

LOL

spyhunter · 05-23-2007, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NoSweat83

The 086 head stock will out flow a 2.4 ported and polished, check the flow numbers.

Tell that to my engine. it may be a 2001 car but I'm running a 1997 head and block. The head has been worked over and is using stock sized aftermarket valves and most everybody who are involved in the 2.3 2.4 world would agree I'm making a pretty damn healthy amount of power.

Headstrong2740 · 05-23-2007, 09:53 PM

i wanna see it run steve.. not goign to lie

ok... so should i do the HP tuner or the DHP for my 2.4L??

i ordered the cam (intake) and now all ihave left to get is the tuner... and thinking baout fuel injectors... but dont think ill need them....yet

Oldsman · 05-23-2007, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by spyhunter

Tell that to my engine. it may be a 2001 car but I'm running a 1997 head and block. The head has been worked over and is using stock sized aftermarket valves and most everybody who are involved in the 2.3 2.4 world would agree I'm making a pretty damn healthy amount of power.

your car does make great power. and for your setup your head works good.

but if you actually flow test the 086 to the 2.4 head and then a full P&P 2.4 compared to a mild P&P on an 086 the 086 will still out flow on a flow bench. Flow bench numbers don't lie.

does that mean it is best for someones setup ...........no. but for anyone to make a general statement that a 2.4 will flow as good as a 086 should actually do some flow bench testing.

Oldsman · 05-23-2007, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Headstrong2740

haha i thought so.. i have the right exhaust... but wow i did find the right intake.. just for some reason i could have sworn it was supposed to be a VIN A... haha oops!! lol no wonder it was not coming up... well guess ill be ordering that now......

Headstrong2740

LOL

the time you took waiting for someone to just give you the answer i found 4 links that would give you the answer and then went to GMpartsdirect and priced it and could have ordered it.

spyhunter · 05-24-2007, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Headstrong2740

i wanna see it run steve.. not goign to lie

ok... so should i do the HP tuner or the DHP for my 2.4L??

i ordered the cam (intake) and now all ihave left to get is the tuner... and thinking baout fuel injectors... but dont think ill need them....yet

DHP isn't available for the 2.4

spyhunter · 05-24-2007, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Oldsman

your car does make great power. and for your setup your head works good.

but if you actually flow test the 086 to the 2.4 head and then a full P&P 2.4 compared to a mild P&P on an 086 the 086 will still out flow on a flow bench. Flow bench numbers don't lie.

does that mean it is best for someones setup ...........no. but for anyone to make a general statement that a 2.4 will flow as good as a 086 should actually do some flow bench testing.

I never said that my head outflows it. I just don't see it as a necessary swap to make a potent motor. There are other less trying ways, ESPECIALLY, to people who aren't sure what to ask for when ordering pistons.

Me personally if I could find an 086 that hasn't been abused, cracked, and repaired, and was building a new motor. I'd do it.

For this particular person I just dont see it necessary, going from the position IF I was a consultant, or builder for this motor.

Oldsman · 05-24-2007, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by spyhunter

For this particular person I just dont see it necessary, going from the position IF I was a consultant, or builder for this motor.

i agree

DOHC_tuner · 05-24-2007, 02:23 PM

iam just trying to help, sorry if i steered anybody in the wrond direction. But im learning as i go and thankz for the info.

Headstrong2740 · 05-25-2007, 06:48 PM

ok...so i THINK i have everything ordered now and on its way here for me to put on..... this motor is going to go together so fast.... but only because i will be going all night and day (almost) till its done. I WANT MY CAR BACK :'(

Anything else i should look into... i got the HP tuner as well already on its way

spyhunter · 05-25-2007, 07:10 PM

motor mounts... polyurethane inserts for the mounts.

DOHC_tuner · 05-25-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spyhunter

motor mounts... polyurethane inserts for the mounts.

where do you get better motor mounts from. I tried carcustoms but their for the cav with the 2.4LD9 so i ask and they are not sure if it'll fit on a 2.4 alero.

NoSweat83 · 05-26-2007, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DOHC_tuner

where do you get better motor mounts from. I tried carcustoms but their for the cav with the 2.4LD9 so i ask and they are not sure if it'll fit on a 2.4 alero.

They wont fit. The only mount that fits is the 3400 tranny mount. Oldsman and I have the one from RSM but, I think they closed so I dont know if anyone else makes one. With that said the only way to get better mounts is to make them yourself.

Headstrong2740 · 05-26-2007, 01:18 AM

great... now i have to make mounts?? lol i hope i can find a "how to...." on that process. LOL anyone ever do this yet??

NoSweat83 · 05-26-2007, 01:28 AM

If I could get my hands on the 2 mounts other than front tranny mount since I have it I could prob. be able to make them in my strength of materials class next semester and if not I would be willing to draw it up on CAD or Inventor and send it to a company for production. But, of course there has to be a demand or at least a group buy for the ball to get rolling with a company. Give me feed back if interested.

DOHC_tuner · 05-26-2007, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NoSweat83

If I could get my hands on the 2 mounts other than front tranny mount since I have it I could prob. be able to make them in my strength of materials class next semester and if not I would be willing to draw it up on CAD or Inventor and send it to a company for production. But, of course there has to be a demand or at least a group buy for the ball to get rolling with a company. Give me feed back if interested.

i am very interested in buying them so count me in. Im going to buy a header next payday but since we are in the general discussion of engine mounts, is it okay to install the header for now without worries of leaks and breaking something because of engine play?

NoSweat83 · 05-26-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by DOHC_tuner

i am very interested in buying them so count me in. Im going to buy a header next payday but since we are in the general discussion of engine mounts, is it okay to install the header for now without worries of leaks and breaking something because of engine play?

I would say yes. I only know of two 2.4 alero's with a solid mount me and oldsman so, not to say that others dont have this but, I know that there are 2.4 ho's out there with a header that dont have the solid mount. You will be fine unless you (or your exaust man) dont know what your doing when your installing the down pipe and over tighten it.