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Old 09-12-2004, 07:46 PM   #1
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Here is an article saying not to go with cooler thermostat on a 3800 Gm engine.
from (http://engine.firebirdv6.com/) check this out scroll to near bottom of page
some more info here!!

The 3800 comes stock with a 195 degree (96-97) and a 180 degree (98+) thermostat. A common mod is to replace the thermostat with a 160 degree to increase fuel enrichment, the real facts are:

"A 160 just lowers the initial opening temperature, you still can run at 200 degrees or more, thereby creating wide temperature variations to and in the block and heads. You want your engine as HOT as you can get it without pre-ignition (which triggers the Knock (timing) Retard). Efficiency of the engine goes up the more heat the cylinder heads retain - up to the point of pre-ignition, all other things being equal. So you want it just cool enough so that the PCM does not retard the timing. A cool engine draws heat out of the combustion process - less vapor (combustion) pressure, less ability to do work (push the piston down). Not to mention the possibility of oil contamination from unburned fuel (due to lower temps). Pre-ignition can be reduced also by using higher octane gasoline. Reducing the temperature also impacts the ECT sensor, as discussed above in "PCM Operation." The reported ECT set temperature is 170 degrees, thereby forcing the PCM into Closed Loop Condition by "timing out." At which point the the desired goal of increasing the fuel enrichment goes away anyway, as the HO2 sensors will control the enrichment to maintain 14.7:1."

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Old 09-12-2004, 09:51 PM   #2
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I dont think anyone here has a 3800 engine....
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Old 09-12-2004, 10:50 PM   #3
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160 is quite a jump from a 195
but a 180 is not that much of a difference.
I've ran a 180 for a looooooonnnnng time with no problems on over heating
even when I was in Phoenix AZ

however its good to have a computer tune done for the lower temp stat.
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I agree Springs...The engine they specified isn't ours and and I have the 180 thermo and have had no problems. I actually enjoy the new thermo...I even have better MPG now. If I dropped to a 160 thermo I might loose pressure during burn on the cylinder walls and thats just not good. I think the mistake was dropping the engine thermo too much in this report.
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Old 09-13-2004, 10:46 AM   #5
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The 160* in a 3800 needs to be used with a reprogrammed pcm. The fan turn on points are changed to 186* I think. Using a 160* on a stock pcm won't work well.. I believe all the way up to 2003 a 192-195 was used in the 3800. My 2000 came with a 192-195 and now has a 180.
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Old 09-13-2004, 05:49 PM   #6
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Engine type asside all the same principles apply to the 2.2L 2.4L and 3.4L I am not saying going to a lower temp thermostat is gonna hurt you, it just may not let you get up to operating temperature as fast, or at all depending where you live.
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