View Full Version : What kind of security system/remote start?
comanche
09-27-2006, 11:40 AM
Hi
I'm looking into getting a remote start/security system, and I'm just wondering what others have. I'm looking for something that will replace my OEM remote + give me security and a remote start.
Low price is :)
American-made quality is really :)
Just get a 2 way responder from Viper/Directed/Clifford. The best alarm next to low-jack. The extra money is worth it. Look on ebay if you want to save a little but install costs a bit.
King Asoka
09-27-2006, 12:33 PM
^ditto
comanche
09-27-2006, 12:41 PM
-I was also wondering if it might be possible to use the stock remote as part of a remote start/alarm system?
King Asoka
09-27-2006, 01:55 PM
no point.
the two way systems coem with a remote that gives you a display. It tells you which sensor was been tripped. not to mention the old remote will not work with it.
Stock remotes weren't made for that. New ones for other models are but it would be like getting the module that starts the car and then the chip in the stock remote...just a pure waste
comanche
09-27-2006, 04:43 PM
Ok, Ill guess I'll look into the Viper/Directed/Clifford systems.
If you really say it's worth the price... :)
BTW, if all you want is to add remote start, what would you go with?
-I'm not exactly loaded with cash right now...
Well I would still choose one of them. Just lower end. Some alarms offer remote start with a protection plan (they pay deductible if ripped off while alarm on)
billytheman1188
09-27-2006, 05:39 PM
DONT GET REMOTE START, its bad for your car. when you start your car you are supposed to let it run for 20 seconds and then drive it lightly until it warms up. remote starts are bad for your car, you shouldnt have your car running for a while.
DONT GET REMOTE START, its bad for your car. when you start your car you are supposed to let it run for 20 seconds and then drive it lightly until it warms up. remote starts are bad for your car, you shouldnt have your car running for a while.
Well the good thing about remote start is that it is still up to the owner to choose WHEN to start it and HOW LONG he wants it running before it just shuts off.
_01Alero_
09-27-2006, 06:04 PM
My question on this is, even if you start your car via a remote start, it is more than likely still going to sit for more than 20 seconds and the way you drive it when it is started has nothing to do with the way you started it. So I don't see how a remote start is bad for your car? Please clarify, cause I just don't get that.
billytheman1188
09-27-2006, 06:46 PM
U dont let it warm up for a while cause then when the engine is all heated up, everything else is cold (like the transmission and drivetrain). You are supposed to start it, let it sit for about 20 seconds, then drive away, and take it easy on the car, let everything warm up and then drive it how u want. Its common sense. think about it.
Cliff8928
09-28-2006, 03:07 AM
Stock remotes weren't made for that. New ones for other models are but it would be like getting the module that starts the car and then the chip in the stock remote...just a pure waste
they do make add-on remote start units which you can use a certain pattern of button presses on the original remote to trigger it.
yeah like i said a waste. You would spend more money on that then a new alarm with remote start.
U dont let it warm up for a while cause then when the engine is all heated up, everything else is cold (like the transmission and drivetrain). You are supposed to start it, let it sit for about 20 seconds, then drive away, and take it easy on the car, let everything warm up and then drive it how u want. Its common sense. think about it.
I start my car on the way to my car...does not take me 20 seconds...so my car is ready when I get there. oh but wait...its still bad for your car right?
alero168
09-28-2006, 12:03 PM
no point.
the two way systems coem with a remote that gives you a display. It tells you which sensor was been tripped. not to mention the old remote will not work with it.
so it'll tell you the difference betw a bump on the bumper or attempted window/door break in?
^^ It sure will. Multi-stage sensors make these alarms smart plus the fact that you have the ability to have your windows down and still have infra-red zone protection and multiple AUX channels. Later on you can even add window control thru the remote.
alero168
09-28-2006, 12:12 PM
do any of these come with a siren on the inside of the car or do you have to get that separate, cuz my alarm didnt stop the crook from still taking what he wanted but a siren on the inside i'm sure he wont stay too long
Mine did not but a siren is not much more especially if you buy at install time.
billytheman1188
09-28-2006, 01:00 PM
Hold on so let me get this right, AGT you start your car while your walking to it?! CAN WE SAY A WASTE OF MONEY....... why did u even bother getting a remote start. If you actually THINK, u need everything in your car to warm up, you cant let it sit for a while to warm up and drive like a dick head right when u start goin, or your gonna fuck up your car.
Hold on so let me get this right, AGT you start your car while your walking to it?! CAN WE SAY A WASTE OF MONEY....... why did u even bother getting a remote start. If you actually THINK, u need everything in your car to warm up, you cant let it sit for a while to warm up and drive like a dick head right when u start goin, or your gonna fuck up your car.
In the season it is and my location (south), I do not need to let it warm up much. We are still hitting mid 80's here. When it comes time (winter) THEN I will start it early. When it does get that cold, I don't know anyone that likes to sit in their car waiting for it to warm up. 'So let me get this right' you are saying that remote start alarms are bad for a car...how? Atleast explain it. Oh to explain the 'waste of money' as you stated it, remote start came with the 2-way paging alarm. I wanted higher end security and I was given features with it.
PS I have a hard time believing someone that thinks maroon and multiple shades of blue go together.
http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14719
battistoni21
09-28-2006, 11:48 PM
yeah billy your making absolutely no sense here, you are saying that everyone with remote starters, remotely start their engine for 20 secs..... get in, and drive like an ass? wtf is that? and HOW is that hurting your car, even if you do run it a lil harder than usual in the start...... please posts facts that it hurts the engine, cuz if you have some i would REALLY like to see them........i would much rather have my car heated up/air conditioned, before getting into it and then sit there for like 5 mins freezing/sweating my balls off.......
steve-o
09-29-2006, 06:23 PM
lol, well if remote starts are harmful for your car, then why do a lot of the newer cars have them factory?? including the g6 from personal experince...
i dont think i'll drive another car without one, and the extra long range the 2-way gives you is wicked.
jayson_waltz
10-27-2006, 02:27 PM
DONT GET REMOTE START, its bad for your car. when you start your car you are supposed to let it run for 20 seconds and then drive it lightly until it warms up. remote starts are bad for your car, you shouldnt have your car running for a while.
UH, no. My dad has been a mechanic for 25 years and has had lots of transmission and engine troubles come in because people don't let their cars warm up enough. We always let our cars warm up before we drive them, never have a problem. Gas is cheaper that repairs.
DaRockwilder
11-27-2006, 10:55 AM
You could leave your car in neutral with the E-brake on. That way the TC is flowing fluid and warming the tranny up at the same time. As long as the system will start it in neutral and not park.
If you got a stick though, that doesn't work as well.
sound_xtreme
11-27-2006, 11:24 AM
ya billy dude, get ur shit straight.
Best buy sells the 2way pager one for like ~500 installed(plus any extra parts/bypasses you might need)
Ryan from Ohio
11-27-2006, 06:14 PM
Compustar.
Dont settle for anything less...
As far as remote starts being bad, thats a very ill worded statement.
It all in how you use it, much like a gun and alcohol.
Its meant to start your car to warms the motor and aide in comfort of not getting into a cold car. If you are stupid enough to believe you can just right in the car and beat the piss out of it, you have bigger problems...
Oldsnut
11-27-2006, 07:15 PM
DONT GET REMOTE START, its bad for your car. when you start your car you are supposed to let it run for 20 seconds and then drive it lightly until it warms up. remote starts are bad for your car, you shouldnt have your car running for a while.
Dude, your making as much sense in this thread as the one you started recently "The US is Crazy". Why don't you stop the madness now and move on to another thread.
white04alero
11-28-2006, 01:10 AM
where do you get the Viper/Directed/Clifford systems.. is it the same company? are they 3 diff companies? is this a stupid question?
sound_xtreme
11-28-2006, 03:23 AM
theyre all the same. viper, python, rattler, boa, hornet, and clifford are all owned by DEI. also avital
http://www.directeddealers.com/images/dei-logos-home.gif <--all DEI
cherrington17
11-28-2006, 09:07 AM
i've also been looking at a crimestopper? i know its not in the same quality listing as viper...
http://www.etronics.com/product.asp?stk_code=crics2016
and if you buy one of these, then pay for an install, its my understanding that its pretty much the same price as to buy it AT the place of install....?
Six Shooter
11-30-2006, 12:41 PM
Oh, how I'm tired of litening to these uneducated people, when it comes to what is good and or bad for your car. :rolleyes2:
On to some education.....
MOST remote starters are used on automatic transmission equipped vehicle, I'd say somewhere around 95 to 98% are automatic, so I'll discuss that here.
Before I do, I'll just mention in responce to the idea of leaving the tranny in nuetral, and applying the e-brake, if you do that, you can't remove the key.
Now onto the reality of the situation.
As the car is sitting in PARK at idle, the transmission fluid is flowing, and guess hwt it's also getting warmed up, because of this fluid flowing.
There is also the reality that the temp in the trans will rise just because it's under the hood, let alone attached to the engne itself, and heat trasnfer through the case will also occur.
I've been instaling remote starters for several years now, and have heard many stories about how the remote starter caused some supposed failure of the vehicle, everything to and including the tail lights burning out prematurly, or the brakes wearing out quicker.
If you were to compare to identical vehicles used for the same purposes and miles, one with a remote starter and one with out, you'd find that either there was no difference, or that the one with the remote start, has an ability to extend the life of certain componets, like the tranny, to pre-warm it, also clearing windows with the defroster, making it nicer to drive, etc.
I have also had a remote starter on my own vehicles for MANY years, and have never had any failures that would be a direct result of having and using a remote starter.
The problem is that many people don't understand this mystery word spelled:
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Yep, onec a problem occurs, people blame it on something or someone else, it has nothing to do with thier lack of maintenance, but everything to do with some other feature of the vehicle. :rolleyes2:
The only thing I try to avoid, and I'm not sure there is merit to it, since I haven't experianced any direct correlation between using a remote starter and the failure of the catalitic conveter, would be to only use the remote starter for less than 30 minutes at a time (2 cycles for my remote starter) without driving it.I know on some VERY cold days I've had it running for a lot LONGER than that and have yet to experiance any problems. The theory is that the motion of the vehicle will help cool the cat, and preserve, but thus far, I'm not sure there is any merit to it, especially after seeing other vehicles sith for hours on end, idleing with no mention of premature cat converter failure.
Myself I'm using an UNGO SR5000, also made by DEI, but will be swapping to an Autostart (I don't recxal the model number), that has two-way, start and security. I haven't been happy with my range and the fact that my remote buttins are way too sensitive, I will occationaly arm or disarm the system when my keys are in my pocket. The Autostart I'm swapping to has much farther range, and and is also not as sensitive.
I'm also quite a fan of Autostart, robust reliable product, that doesn't have any quirks that some of the more expensive systems seem to experiance.
sound_xtreme
11-30-2006, 09:25 PM
ya, i never liked those ungo's.
diablo
11-30-2006, 09:33 PM
I have a Viper 5900 keyless/remote starter, its been working wonders, only cost me $1000 CDN. Its the best I find, especially with the remote starter, its great in winter.
diablo
11-30-2006, 09:34 PM
Alarm/Keyless/remote starter****
steve-o
11-30-2006, 09:52 PM
:eek: $1000, that thing better suck and f*** for that price!
I paid $270 for my 2-way alarm/remote starter, and thats for a car with standard tranny.
diablo
11-30-2006, 09:59 PM
see, they had to bypass the factory immobilizer into the alarm, $150, $100 to bypass the door locks into the remote, $80 to bypass the trunk into the remote, and got it 40% cheaper than anyone else, $370, plus gst + pst + $50Installation. Its the taxes that killed me, so actually I got a great deal its origional price was set at $765.
Six Shooter
12-01-2006, 01:18 AM
see, they had to bypass the factory immobilizer into the alarm, $150, $100 to bypass the door locks into the remote, $80 to bypass the trunk into the remote, and got it 40% cheaper than anyone else, $370, plus gst + pst + $50Installation. Its the taxes that killed me, so actually I got a great deal its origional price was set at $765.
A bit pricey, but not too bad.
We charge $130 for that bypass installed and $45 for door locks + parts $45 for turnk + the relay (if needed).
ya, i never liked those ungo's.
It's exactly like the Viper, except for the shape of the remote and the fact that it says UNGO on it, because it's also made by DEI, that makes Viper. ;)
sound_xtreme
12-01-2006, 02:42 AM
i guess i shoulda said i didnt care for dei at that time. their antennas sucked ass. you have the big black plastic one? or the one with the actual antenna poles comin out each side?
Six Shooter
12-01-2006, 02:45 AM
i guess i shoulda said i didnt care for dei at that time. their antennas sucked ass. you have the big black plastic one? or the one with the actual antenna poles comin out each side?
Big plastic one, it's last years model.
Ryan from Ohio
12-01-2006, 06:33 PM
Blah...
I still like the compustar.
The frist one I got sold for $750 installed...
I think thats about what the 900FM runs...
sound_xtreme
12-01-2006, 06:47 PM
Big plastic one, it's last years model.
ya dude, the big plastic one is fucking junk. i dont remember if the plugs are the same or not, but you could try the new antenna. it's basically like the basic ungo remote start antennas, but dual pole. always seems to get great range. it depends on the install and shit to though. I didn't even realize they still were makin Ungo's either btw.
HazMatt24
12-01-2006, 08:00 PM
so, according to Billy's theory, I should be safe having an autostart because I live in Arizona and there is no such thing as having to warm a car up here. In fact, the inside temp of the car can easily be 170 in the summer and having an autostart should would be nice. I could actually cool the car down before I get in and not have to wear oven mits to touch the steering wheel.
Six Shooter
12-01-2006, 10:11 PM
ya dude, the big plastic one is fucking junk. i dont remember if the plugs are the same or not, but you could try the new antenna. it's basically like the basic ungo remote start antennas, but dual pole. always seems to get great range. it depends on the install and shit to though. I didn't even realize they still were makin Ungo's either btw.
Nah, I'm just gonna swap the system for a different one.
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