How to: Lows highs and fogs at same time

[olds03alero]

Here is a how to have your fogs, low beams and high beams on for your high beams. it is much brighter and i have had it on my car for approx 6 months without a problem.

First you will need about 5-6 ft of 20 gauge wire. depends on where you are planning on running your relays to. An inline fuse block with 10 amp fuse, 2 25amp automotive relays, 8-10 20 gauge splice clips, 8-10 20 guage female quick connect terminals, 1 20 gauge ring terminal, wire strippers, crimpers and some electrical tape.

Second You will need to find a suitable location to put your relays. i put mine on the drivers side inner fender behind where the stock intake is supposed to be.
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Third you will need to tap into your factory wiring and run your wires to the relays. On the 4-pin connector that goes into your drivers side headlight you will need to splice into the blue and pink wires. make sure the wire you attach to the splice clips is long enough to get to the relays.
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I also wrapped those 2 wires up with electrical tape and put them inside the harness that the rest of the wiring runs in. now when the wires get to the relays just put a female connector on the blue wire and put it on terminal 87 of your first relay. then put another piece of wire on the end of the pink wire, just 3-4 inches long depending on how far apart your relays are. and then put a female connector on each stripped end. then attach the connectors to terminal 85 on both relays. then you will need to tap into the purple wire going to your drivers side foglight. run that to the relays and attach to terminal 30 on the 2nd relay (the one that the blue wire isn't attached to. Next you will need to get a power and ground source. for the ground i used the screw that i attached the one relay to the inner fender with. i used a 3-4 inch piece of wire with the ring terminal on one end and a female on the other. attach this to terminal 30 on the first relay. then use the large power source on your underhood relay panel for your pwer to the relays. break to nut loose and attach your inline fuse block but do not install fuse until you are done wiring.
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you will need to use slice clips to send power to terminal 86 on relay 1 and terminals 87 and 86 on relay 2. i know that was kinda bad explanation so here is my wiring diagram.
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll219/olds03alero/lightdiagram.jpg

after you have it all wired up then install your fuse and try it out. if you don't want to have your fogs come on or don't have fogs just dont install relay 2.

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If you have any questions just email me

[hok666]

Will it melt the headlight at all? Seems like alot of heat especially in the summer around 80-120 degrees in some areas of the country.

[GoldStar611]

I think in the summer you normally wouldn't be driving with your brights on so there shouldn't be a heat problem. This doesn't turn your high lamps into DRL's if that is what you are concerned about, only when you flip the switch for high beams will they all turn on.

[hok666]

yea thanks ^

[olds03alero]

in the summer i wouldn't run these very long just as a precaution, i did it just so i could see deer easier in the winter. i have a 45 minute drive home from work and its all through the woods

[Pacho]

I'm hooking up a 30 amp relay with a 20 amp in line fuse. I'm looking at the diagram for the 25 amp relays, the 30 and 85 and 86 are messed up between my diagram.

According to your diagram: 87 goes to dark blue, 85 goes to pink, 30 goes to ground, and 86 goes to 12 volt power source (assuming a passenger headlight).

The diagram on the back of my relay box goes: 86 to negative trigger, 85 to 12 volt power source, 87 a not used, and I'm mixed up on what to put on 87 and 30 according to the diagram below (I know I have to put the blue and pink wire here but does it matter which goes to which?). Thanks.

[lonnie]

I'm hooking up a 30 amp relay with a 20 amp in line fuse. I'm looking at the diagram for the 25 amp relays, the 30 and 85 and 86 are messed up between my diagram.

According to your diagram: 87 goes to dark blue, 85 goes to pink, 30 goes to ground, and 86 goes to 12 volt power source (assuming a passenger headlight).

The diagram on the back of my relay box goes: 86 to negative trigger, 85 to 12 volt power source, 87 a not used, and I'm mixed up on what to put on 87 and 30 according to the diagram below (I know I have to put the blue and pink wire here but does it matter which goes to which?). Thanks.The diagram you are looking at above is for if you are going to wire an alarm...the relay you have will still be standard! Follow the diagram exactly for wiring your fogs and high beams. I tried to explain a little better below.

So on the Headlight relay the wiring goes like so:
Pin 85 to the highbeam wire.....pink maybe different depending on year
Pin 30 to ground
Pin 86 to fused 12volt source...ie battery
Pin 87 to the low beam wire....blue maybe different depending on year

Now on the Fog light relay the wiring goes like so:
Pin 85 ties into pin 85 above
Pin 86 goes to a 12volt source I would tap into the wire on Pin 86 above
Pin 87 goes to a 12volt source I would tap into the wire on Pin 86 above
Pin 30 goes to the Fog light wire....purple

also make sure your grounds are very good if not you will get dim lighting

[Pacho]

thanks lonnie, you cleared it up for me.

[lonnie]

thanks lonnie, you cleared it up for me.
No problem

[white04alero]

yeah yeah, old thread, i know. but i want to see those pictures if its possible. do you still have them? to me it says photobucket account inactive.

[Atmosphere]

yeah yeah, old thread, i know. but i want to see those pictures if its possible. do you still have them? to me it says photobucket account inactive.

Here you are, kind sir.

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[JLw7123]

nice how hard was it to do that .

[jayson_waltz]

Its easy as hell to do actually. and if you have fogs it looks even cooler. here is more info:http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21207&highlight=low+highs+fogs+time

[white04alero]

alrighty. and it seems obvious, but ill ask anyways. i'll have to do this to both sides yes?

[lonnie]

alrighty. and it seems obvious, but ill ask anyways. i'll have to do this to both sides yes?
No you only have to do this on one side...the example I belive is on the passenger side....there is more room to work with over there, and that is where you are going to want to mount the relays.

[jayson_waltz]

yea, i did mine on the passenger side and mounted the relay where i can get to it easily. it works for both sides because it just back feeds the power, and both lights run off the same wire.

[white04alero]

so wait, let me get this right, the wires coming out of the passenger side headlight/ foglight are the same ones running to the driver side ones? or do you go back a ways til it t's off, or am i just not reading this carefully enough?

[jayson_waltz]

they are the same wires. tap into them anywhere by the drivers or passenger headlight

[kingjames64]

long time reader first time poster. What size fuse would be good?

[hok666]

is there a way to flip one switch to make this work or does it involve the automatic DRL's? and in the diagram it says PPL fog signal? whats PPL?

[lonnie]

is there a way to flip one switch to make this work or does it involve the automatic DRL's? and in the diagram it says PPL fog signal? whats PPL?
Yes you can put a switch between pin 85 and the wire that taps in to the headlight wire to disable it in the off position and enable it in the on position. If you look at the drawing the high beam signal is what switches the relay to provide power to the low beams. Note: You don't cut the headlight wire you simply tie a switch between where you tap the wire and run it to the relay.....PPL stands for purple...its for the purple wire on the passenger side...I think its the same for all years but maybe not..you will have to check a wiring diagram for your car.

[kingjames64]

ok sorry but this noob found a way to screw this up. I hooked everything up just as it was written and everything works but with one problem. Whenever i try to turn my lights off they flash really fast but only when my car isnt in park or when the emergency brake isnt pulled. Any ideas on what i did wrong?

[Atmosphere]

^ I'd give your wiring a second look, it sounds like something somewhere isn't quite right. Worst case you can just try it over again and start from scratch.

[kingjames64]

the wire running to the batter somehow came loose but all is well
It looked like i had strobe lights and everyone kept starrin at me while i was messin with them drivin down the road haha
Thanks for the feedback

[jayson_waltz]

you are wired just perfect, but u need to disable you drls. 100% positive here, mine did the same thing and i posted somewhere the hardwire wire to do it.
btw, the reason it doesn't do it when you start the car with e-brake on is because that disables the drl and autolights until you let the e-brake off.

edit: found it
http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showpost.php?p=354167&postcount=71

[lonnie]

I had an issue with the lights flashing like strobes.....funny as hell...didn't notice it until I pulled up to a stop sign and saw the light...that is of course after I looked behind me...*cough cough*. Come to find out that the relay was bouncing back and forth...LOL. It would only do it when the temp outside was just about at freezing and below...weirdest thing..LOL

Goes to show you that anything crazy can happen!

[white04alero]

alrighty yall. did it! looks amazing. and no problems with strobes lol

[lonnie]

alrighty yall. did it! looks amazing. and no problems with strobes lol
Welcome to the club.....lol

[white04alero]

lol. thanks for how to info guys

[falloutboy]

So if I read this right, all you do is switching your low beams to ground via the relay, if the highs are being turned on.

Am I right? or a total electrical noob?

Thanks
Julian

[colonel6632]

no. what your doing is using a relay to supply 12v to the low beams. the highbeams power goes into the relay, which then trips the relay to allow 12v to go to the low beams

or something like that

[jayson_waltz]

no. what your doing is using a relay to supply 12v to the low beams. the highbeams power goes into the relay, which then trips the relay to allow 12v to go to the low beams

or something like that
yea something like that, but the headlights are ground side switched. there is always power, but a ground appears to make then turn on.

[falloutboy]

yea something like that, but the headlights are ground side switched. there is always power, but a ground appears to make then turn on.

So I am right :)

thanks.

[jayson_waltz]

yep you are. there is a thread here for the exact wiring info also. makes it quick and painless.

[rida125]

OK so last night a buddy and i went and tryed to do this mod. my fogs suck ass, and im working on just taking them out now, so we just tryed to do this to the headlights. we cut the blue and pink wire on the passengers side and ran everything to the relay correctly, and what not.

so the problem was when we plug the headlights in the highs came on with out even turning the lights on. like i didnt even have the keys in the ignitiong and the highs light in the gauge cluster came on.

Does anybody know what was going on?

[colonel6632]

check your grounds and make sure the power wire isn't just going to the headlights. might have the relay connected wrong

[jayson_waltz]

Sounds like you tapped into a full time power wire instead of just the highbeam one. Check the wiring

[rida125]

ok, could it also be a bad relay? we checked the relay connection over and over. what if it got grounded in a place between the relay and the wires going to the headlight?

[jayson_waltz]

It could be a relay screwed up somehow on the inside but that would be. Rare I would think. Wouldn't hurt to plug in a diff one tho to check

[rida125]

I got some pictures coming here. i will edit this post as i get them online.

This is the ground here. i had it under a bolt right next to it in the quarter panel

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This is the fuse that i had under the bolt of the fuse holder thing

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And this is the passenger side headlight connector thing

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[Philbar71]

Hmm, so I just attempted this. Didnt work :/ I had strobe lights for lows too. My DRL's were already disabled and I even pulled the DRL relay and it still strobed. Anybody got any ideas??

Right now Im thinking it's a bad ground. All I did was use the strut tower bold thing (Idk what it's called) and scraped off a little paint so it could ground to the body. Whats another good ground I can easily get too?

[falloutboy]

The ground the thread started used is pretty good. And using the dome bolts is not a good idea, cause a lot of rubber, insulation and material is mix down there.
Just bolt in the fender wall. And check your connections. Perhaps its just a bad crimp shoe.

[Philbar71]

The ground the thread started used is pretty good. And using the dome bolts is not a good idea, cause a lot of rubber, insulation and material is mix down there.
Just bolt in the fender wall. And check your connections. Perhaps its just a bad crimp shoe.

I think im just going to ground to the batt for testing purposes. Is that ok? And Ive double and triple checked my wiring, it's all good.

[lonnie]

Here you are, kind sir.

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I think im just going to ground to the batt for testing purposes. Is that ok? And Ive double and triple checked my wiring, it's all good.This circuit is between the relays for both low and highbeams if you pulled the relay to either one it will never work. Its hard trying to figure what you got going on without pics. This is based off of an unmodified lighting circuit so any changes that you have made prior to this mod will be hard to troubleshoot. This is a real easy mod however it becomes that much more difficult if you have already altered the wiring.
Some thing else- the whole thing merely taps in the light wires of the headlight there is no need to cut them at all.

[Philbar71]

The only thing I have done before this is disable the DRLs. Everything else is stock. And I hooked up my relay exactly as that diagram shows. And when I said I pulled a relay, I was referring to the DRL relay because my low beams were flashing like strobe lights.

[lonnie]

The only thing I have done before this is disable the DRLs. Everything else is stock. And I hooked up my relay exactly as that diagram shows. And when I said I pulled a relay, I was referring to the DRL relay because my low beams were flashing like strobe lights.Are the DRL's still disabled? If so then this may be your problem. If after you test the grounds and it still doesn't work then try to re-enable the DRL's if they are disabled now.

[Philbar71]

Yep, it was a bad ground. Got a proper ground and now it works flawlessly.

[lonnie]

Glad you got it fixed.

[Philbar71]

Glad you got it fixed.

Thanks. It's a huge improvement, even with crappy regular halogen bulbs. Im going to order some 55W HIDs to match my low beams shortly :D

Also, it's ok to put a switch in on the 12V wire correct? I already did and it seems to be working ok, but I just wanted to make sure it's not going to hurt anything.

[lonnie]

Thanks. It's a huge improvement, even with crappy regular halogen bulbs. Im going to order some 55W HIDs to match my low beams shortly :D

Also, it's ok to put a switch in on the 12V wire correct? I already did and it seems to be working ok, but I just wanted to make sure it's not going to hurt anything.
Yeah you can put a switch on it its not going to hurt anything...and it is probably nice to have one to bypass it anyway. I've notice one thing about mine...and that is when it is really cold the contact in the relay will bump back and forth and never truly latch until it is warm...this causes a flashing effect in the lights, but other than that I've not had a problem with this mod ever. Enjoy dude....mine helps me on those really dark back roads here.

[rocketfast321]

I just did this mod on my 01. I did everything on the driver side headlight. Used the blue wire right by the pink wire. It worked fine till i stated the car. I got the strobe lights which looks pretty cool to see all 6 lights flashing.

The fix was to pull the DRL relay and cut pin 87. (I wish i knew about this easy was for my 01 grand am) On my car the DRLs are the brights. Also with the 99-00 it might have a different wiring system like the 99-00 grand am.

Anyways money shot
http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x311/rocketfast321/mickey/IMG_20120121_1455382.jpg

[CrazzyCavanaugh]

I wanted to know how to get my dims to turn on when i have me high beams on
but want them to turn off when i turn them to dims and have just dims

thanks for any help

[03glgold]

I wanted to know how to get my dims to turn on when i have me high beams on
but want them to turn off when i turn them to dims and have just dims

thanks for any help

that is what this is for