it`s alive!!! it`s alive!!!!! pics of my car

[Midgear]

woot. only thing I see wrong with it is (wtf happened to the brake lights? lol) the gap between the body and rear bumper cover..

other than that.. bad ass.

[Oldsnut]

My wife just said she got wet!!!

[bdyman]

kieth iam goin to call u tommorrow, the caddy lights are my brake turn and running lights, nothing wrong with the bumper cover at all, or rear body panel, it could be the angle i took i made the deck lid to be different and not flush with the 1/4 or bumper
have to see the car in person to appreciate it

[bdyman]

My wife just said she got wet!!!


wow!!! didnt know it has that kind of affect on women thats good for you isnt it?

[Oldsnut]

Yes it is!! Looks dam nice bro.

[kniedelm9490]

sexyy

[Trickyslick]

What no Aleromod sticker....just wanted to raz you...looks F'in Sweet

[cherrington17]

the back end looks sooo nice.. then the front, is really plain. why no improvements there?

[01OldsAleroGt]

actually.. i agree with Cher... why no work done to the front end... it looked soo amazing on the rear.. and the front is so blah

[Trickyslick]

Maybe he drives so fast the back is all you'll get to see...

[bdyman]

the front bumper is shaved, i love the clean smooth look right now the cars body lines just flow, but next spring i will make my own hood
or when my striper does his magic it will look a bit better

[Beholder88]

I admire the time you took to get all of this done, looks good overall. I'm not too fond of the tail light decision, however it's totally unique compared to anything else out there. I would have chosen something a bit more modern. What made you go with that setup? Like the old school caddy look?

[bdyman]

i love the ole skool look, and why go with something modern??, then it wouldnt be different, like is is 300 lights why???, everyone does them, a custom car is about being different, not being the same
the frenching is different its not done too often on a car, then the classic french

[billytheman1188]

I was telling some of my buddies at the shop about what you were doing.....then i showed them some pics..... THEY LOVED IT. whoever doesnt think this car is hot, well.....something is wrong with them ;)

[bdyman]

well i wired up the tail lights tonight and it looks amazing!!!
drove the car on the road for the first time since 2005!!!
it needs alignment, but it rode great, i cant wait for saturday to come
wwhhoooo hhooooooo

[cherrington17]

the front bumper is shaved, i love the clean smooth look right now the cars body lines just flow, but next spring i will make my own hood
or when my striper does his magic it will look a bit better

i can understand the clean look, but with how much work is done on the back end, it just seems like the front bumper needs a little something... just to fancy it up a tad.

the hood will help, but it will also further accent the fact that the space under it is nearly stock, still.


just my opinion though.

[bdyman]

i see what your sayin, are you sayin perofrmance wise?? it has basic mod`s, bigger t/b, rk sport intake, and full exhaust, it looks cool it does get up and go, but i have been fast, so i love the car love the way it looks, and when its striped it will be the cherry on the cake

[meadus101]

I knew you were going with the caddy lights, but I don't like how the holes look in the pics.

Kinda hoped you had lights going to fill the whole hole.


mind you, the car is complete sex, just don't think the holes that is around the tails work.

[billytheman1188]

hey bdyman....i was looking at the qtr panel and i was wondering if i had to replace mine, would i have to cut it and fit another qtr panel in? Cause our qtr's run all the way up into the roof......so i would have to section out part of it and weld in a new one....right? idk if im explaining it right, ive had quite a few drinks tonight... hehe

[bdyman]

meadus101; you apprently dont know custom body work, it is called frenching, but i took the term french and opned the pocket, its something you dont see done allot by body men
there is allot invovled in replaced a 1/4, its not as easy as it looks and sounds, iam not going to crap up my own thread with a how to remove and install a 1/4
2nd i could never teach you online how to do something like this all i can do is tell you what is invovled

[Cliff8928]

hey bdyman....i was looking at the qtr panel and i was wondering if i had to replace mine, would i have to cut it and fit another qtr panel in? Cause our qtr's run all the way up into the roof......so i would have to section out part of it and weld in a new one....right? idk if im explaining it right, ive had quite a few drinks tonight... hehe


there is allot invovled in replaced a 1/4, its not as easy as it looks and sounds, iam not going to crap up my own thread with a how to remove and install a 1/4
2nd i could never teach you online how to do something like this all i can do is tell you what is invovled

http://prod.goodwrench.gmgssm.com/gmgoodwrenchjsp/gmspo/Oldsmobile/Alero/1999-2004/00_Complete_Manual_1857KB.pdf

That should cover it.

[99-alero]

i want it i want it i want i WANT IT:p

[billytheman1188]

http://prod.goodwrench.gmgssm.com/gmgoodwrenchjsp/gmspo/Oldsmobile/Alero/1999-2004/00_Complete_Manual_1857KB.pdf

That should cover it.


ahhh, ok. Thats a good link right there..... I was just interested to see how i would change the qtr. on our cars since it looks like its all one piece

[bdyman]

wow that some uninormative file there, what about removing all the other parts like glass and the interior, bumper rocker moldings
does it tell you that i-car wants us to do a open butt with backing joint?? nope
does it tell you that panle bond and pillar foam needs heat to come off?? nope, does it tell you that the seam sealer has to be removed to find all the spot welds?? nope
does it show you how to weld?? can it teach that?? nope
does it tell you that when the 1/4 is back on all part must go back on to ensure proper body lines??? nope
does it show yhou how to put the car on a frame rack clamp it down and pull the damage first?? nope
does it tell you that inside the window frame you never ever apply bondo becasue window urathene does not bond to bondo??? nope
i rest my case

[kwhauck]

court adjourned........

[IRONDOG442]

iam not going to crap up my own thread with a how to remove and install a 1/4
2nd i could never teach you online how to do something like this all i can do is tell you what is invovled


so much for that ! :lol:

[Gr1m]

haha bdyman<3

[billytheman1188]

wow that some uninormative file there, what about removing all the other parts like glass and the interior, bumper rocker moldings
does it tell you that i-car wants us to do a open butt with backing joint?? nope
does it tell you that panle bond and pillar foam needs heat to come off?? nope, does it tell you that the seam sealer has to be removed to find all the spot welds?? nope
does it show you how to weld?? can it teach that?? nope
does it tell you that when the 1/4 is back on all part must go back on to ensure proper body lines??? nope
does it show yhou how to put the car on a frame rack clamp it down and pull the damage first?? nope
does it tell you that inside the window frame you never ever apply bondo becasue window urathene does not bond to bondo??? nope
i rest my case

some of that is common sense..... that book helps some, but obviously its not going to teach you everything. Pulling seam sealer back to get to welds, not hard....and if you drill out all the spot welds and its still holding then i would hope your smart enough to know that there are some under the seam sealer. This book isnt about frame racks, it doesnt show you how to anchor it down...if people wanna learn how to pull frames, etc. they can go buy that book. This book is all about basic things, where to locate some stuff......thats what i was looking for;) I already know how to get it on the rack, pull seam sealer, weld, etc:rolleyes2:

[bdyman]

well your in my thread asking about how to install a 1/4 but yet you say you know how to pull frames etc.....so lets stay on topic

[bdyman]

striper comes in the morning, pics later in the day

[kwhauck]

sweet!!! can't wait!!!

[YALEROYNOT]

show us show us !!! please !!! :scpimp: :yahoo:

the frenched tails might look cool with a light tinted lens over the hole. just a thought looks good as is too. the front dose need some thing french the head lights ? :lol: :jk: maybe some eye lids molded into the hood ?

[bdyman]

i might make my own hood, but lets see wut it looks like striped

[bdyman]

it is mutha freakin striped!!!!!!, it looks amazing up close the pic`s wont do it justice at all, it has been a long time coming since i started this project, and rick the striper couldnt be happier!!!
same with me, on to the pics

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/002-12.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/003-10.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/004-3.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/005-3.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/006-1.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/007.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/008-1.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/010-1.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/013-1.jpg

[Oldsnut]

Dayum.

[Midgear]

Dayum.

no word describes it better. Dayum.

[NickAlero2000]

wow man
nice job
all i can say...im AMAZED

[bdyman]

much better now isnt it

[Midgear]

the whole eyeball thing with wings stickin out of em is a little.. "wtf" lol.. but other than that.. pure sex.

put that center cap back on the front wheel lol

[kwhauck]

very nice, my only thing would have been maybe a little flame behind the caddy lights.....know what i'm saying?

[tw0123]

^^ i agree... highlight the frenched lights so it comes out when the brakes are applied... that would be awesome!!!

[Oldsnut]

Chris, I don't see any tassles though. :p

[hok666]

Im liking the angle of pic #8 and the flames. they look a little different from actual flames. got a better pic? like something closer to show the detail? great job on the striping by the way one day i hope im that good.

[bdyman]

if my striper did any more it would have looked out of place, the stripes in the pocket your not going to see it would have been a waste
the flames are flames everyone does flames in their own way he does them like that, i do them differently as well
striping is to bring the car to life, to much and it`s overkill and could ruin a car`s look
the center caps are off becasue i still need to have the 2 tires mounted, i need alignment, and exhaust
i do not know how to stripe thats why i use my buddy, rick the striper
does any one on here know what "bmf" stands for

[cherrington17]

bad mother eff'er i'd guess.


imho the oldz kool and bmf, are VERY outta place. the whole car looks soo nice, then you have two big cartoons on the back.

but the rest looks really nice. cheers to all the hard work, finally coming together.

[kwhauck]

body man forever?

[bdyman]

if people think its outta place then your really not into the whole ole skool hot rod rockabilly thing, and he`s right bad mutha fcker

[YALEROYNOT]

I think it is perfect !!! just enuff not to much. the hood is my fav . I like the flames behind the side window. ;)

its a "BMF" nice work dose your striper have a web site ? like to see more of his work.

nice job body man !!! :scpimp:

[Gr1m]

good shit man

[bdyman]

no web site, my pontiac and olds are signs of his work if i do the world of wheels this yr he will be there with me, iam tryin to talk him into striping at the show

[NickAlero2000]

lol clear ur corners!!!

[clutch1]

Daaaam! That front looks amazing now!

IMO it could use something simple on the rear of the wing to accentuate the shape, and go with the sharp seam where it meets the trunk.. but that's just a suggestion.

Look sweet dude.

[bdyman]

like i said doing more striping would take away from the car

[01OldsAleroGt]

its honestly perfect as it sits.. still a lil blah in the front end compared to the customized rear.. but besides that just total custom beauty

[bdyman]

thank`s, the front end stays the way it is

[02Alero]

it is a BMF thats all thats needs to be said

[cherrington17]

thank`s, the front end stays the way it is

because you like it as is, or you don't want to dedicate another 3+ years to completing the front?

either are completely resonable. :lol:

[bdyman]

not laughin at all, like i said i would make my own hood and thats all i would be doin to the front, but its a big maybe

[Oldsman]

it looks sweet chris. now for the exhaust;) ;) ;)

[Valley olds]

That is really nice. With a car like that, you dont have to worry about someone driving a car thats the same as yours,

[bdyman]

ya i know i need the front tires mounted, wheel alignment, and exhaust, funds are really tight right now, so i may just use the muffler i have and do the exhaust i want next spring

[Nate's Alero]

u iz missing hubcap on wheel...

[DansGen1Alero]

so does "the front end stays" mean you are not clearing the corners, no mocking kidding or being an ass, (I get the hint your a lil peeved with people saying you should do something) if you like it with the reflectors and all its your car and shouldnt matter what others say or think.

[cherrington17]

not laughin at all, like i said i would make my own hood and thats all i would be doin to the front, but its a big maybe

i wasn't trying to be insulting... just wondering why your so against touching the front end. just want to keep it somewhat original?

u iz missing hubcap on wheel...
he already covered this, ya skimmer.

[Nate's Alero]

he already covered this, ya skimmer.


oh yes chris, i have 5 hours to read through the mindless bullshit in this thread, we obvously did not stick to the subject,

bdyman's car is awesome! i love it(not diggin the tails)its very unique lolz!


MORE PICS MORE PICS!!

(blows raspberry at chris)

[Trickyslick]

Looks sweet got job and it all came together so nicely...

[circeansleeper]

ummmmm.....where are the tassles?

[circeansleeper]

I may be a little dense. I've been skimming, but are you going to leave it primed?

[Gr1m]

no he just did the striping and is going to paint over the stripes

[circeansleeper]

makes sense to me! Thanks Grim, can always count on you.

[Alerosaint]

:hissyfit: I cant see dam gov computers...grrr

[Gr1m]

thats why you are a woman.

[MattismodderX]

i smell rice.....


just kidding. sweet whip yo

[bdyman]

yes i need to mount and balance the front tires, i need alignment, and exhaust, yes it is stayin in primer, and yes i want to keep something original on the car
i will not "clear the corners" i hate that look, if i did something i would go back to the headlight conversion and make my own hood, but iam not its stayin the way it is

[Gr1m]

keep it the way you like it, you put so much work and countless hours into it and it paid off.

[bdyman]

oh iam goin to do what i want to, and ya it is paid off, i will build what i like, if i do my own its going to be what i like not what someones says "oh i think it would look even better doing it this way"
sorry not going to happen

[clutch1]

Sorry for giving a suggestion, I'll go be quiet in my room now.

[bdyman]

your fine no biggie, just stating a fact thats all

[Midgear]

pic with brake lights illuminated. gogogogogoog.

preferably an evening / night time shot.

[bdyman]

ok i will try to

[darksobsession]

why ya gonna leave it in primer?

[bdyman]

why not??

[billytheman1188]

cause it could looke 1000x better with paint on it..... i never got why some people like to leave the car in primer. My buddy at school did the same thing with his s10. kind of dumb to leave it in primer if you ask me....you did all this work to that car, and you leave it with a boring primer look. but whatever, if thats what you like GO FOR IT

[bdyman]

and it would, if i did paint it i would do hot rod flatz paint, i love the old skool hot rod look, and do you think buying paint is cheap??? a gallon of clear at my cost is 160 bucks, not to mention, a gallon of ncs sealer is 120, plus hardner for clear and sealer, plus a gallon of dbc base coat, another 160, plus 2 gallons of dt reducer, a gallon of dx 330, tack rag, tape, paper,
i would do it at work and i would have to pay my boss for the material, so it would be close to a 1,000 and right now there is no way on earth i can do that, we are slow, not making the money iam used to, i work commission no work=no money
so if i did i would do the hot rod flatz, it`s way cheaper then going base coat clear coat, and iam not your buddy rolling around in some cheap ass primer either, the primer i used is corrossion resistant, and even though it does not have uv protection, it would take yr`s for this primer to show any type of ill effects, it does not shrink, so if i did paint it it would be like i primed it the very next day
the heads this car is turning is the few times i had it out so far is enough for me to leave it the way it is

[Cliff8928]

cause it could looke 1000x better with paint on it..... i never got why some people like to leave the car in primer. My buddy at school did the same thing with his s10. kind of dumb to leave it in primer if you ask me....you did all this work to that car, and you leave it with a boring primer look. but whatever, if thats what you like GO FOR IT

Not everything has to be flashy and shiny to look good.. In fact it makes it stand out MORE because it isn't.

Primer FTW!

[hok666]

excellent points^ enough said

[bdyman]

couldnt have said it better my self,
btw cliff your beratta is done

[circeansleeper]

Not everything has to be flashy and shiny to look good.. In fact it makes it stand out MORE because it isn't.

Primer FTW!

I agree as well. I have just never seen a car left in primer.....which may be the point? I guess I will have to see it in person to really form an opinion. But so far, I think it's ballsy and admirable!

[01OldsAleroGt]

now heres the next thing.. you gonna do single out the rear or dual out the rear of the ho'

[bdyman]

for right now just a single magnaflow muffler, next spring i want a single magnaflow muffler no shinny tips just bare steel, dumping before the rear suspension, the pipe will dump to the ground for more exhaust tone

[YALEROYNOT]

I saw a grand am near where I work with side exhaust in front of the rear wheels. I wanted to get some pic of how it was done but I cant seem to track it down. that would be cool to do some old school side pipes with a modern flare. that would bring the old school look together.

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u206/sincycles/pipes.jpg


might be able to use mufflers like these :

http://www.mustangdepot.com/OnLineCatalog/images/Exhaust/long-tube-02b_small.jpg

[Cliff8928]

I doubt even one of those mufflers would fit under the car, let alone the 90° outlet GTO one. You'd have to use a muffler in the center tunnel and just angle it out to get a side outlet. I have a similar setup on my beretta with a boom tube for a tip.

I really think all bdyman's car needs is a nice (oval?) bare stainless tip. It doesn't need to attract attention, just be there.



P.S. - Bdyman, I'll pick up my car early next week (mon or tues). Had trailer probs or would've done it yesterday. I also want to ask your opinion on getting some (plastic) custom work on the denali done if i can bring it to show you when i pick the car up.

[bdyman]

our cars cant really do crazy exhaust, its goin to have to be the single muffler, and pipe off the side or in the factroy location, like i said no tips no nothing just pipe dumped before the rear suspension, or coming out right before the rocker molding
cliff`s car is real loud in the shop, as long as my boss knows your coming its fine, bring the denali with the trailor so i can look at what you want

[kwhauck]

ok back on topic, you are awesome and your car rocks my tassles off!!!!

[bdyman]

tassles right back to ya

[YALEROYNOT]

the welds on the notches look like they were welded a little cold.

http://s2d1.turboimagehost.com/sp/5822e09ad00691b7bb2b2cc8a3eaa5a2/l_6dfb53aecc004052839e570812aa9199.jpg

again bdyman car is awsome !!!!

[bdyman]

i wasnt going to say it, i like the bagged chvey`s i do his is nice, mine is better :)~~~~

[bdyman]

new pics i took thursday plus iam bored out of my mind

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/002-13.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/007-1.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/005-4.jpg

the 53 chevy is someone at work whom i worked with yrs ago and is into the rockabilly scene big time, the car is chopped 6in, bumpers shortened, guards removed, all shaved, bagged, pics dont do this car justice, it is an amazing car, he alos has a 29 rat rod, chopped, sectioned, bed is hand built, dash board hand built, another awesome car

[01OldsAleroGt]

lol that looks amazing the ho looks soo tiny next to the 53 chevy lol.. but still good pics the ride looks awesome.. period

[paulyb]

looks awsome....for some reason I can see your car with steelies and white walls.....

http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc8/pualyb/h.jpg

[KenshinZero]

Jesus likes it
5359

[bdyman]

i tried to look for something like the chevy has, it is a bullet with bullet lug nuts, if i could find white walls like that it would have been done
jesus does likey<i mean my neighbor

[YALEROYNOT]

thats a bad ass looking 53. I like :cool:

[shonky_alero]

love both cars. lowrider look on the alero is sweet. white walls would really look sick. nice car man.

[bdyman]

thanks, the 53 is amazing up close, the interior is classic tuck `n` roll, the paint is a fade to a different root beer color, its for sale too
he wants 30k for it, his rat rod is for sale too at 15k
trust me if i had money i would do the rat rod

[Cliff8928]

i tried to look for something like the chevy has, it is a bullet with bullet lug nuts, if i could find white walls like that it would have been done

Coker has some whitewalls that would fit. 15" with a 2" whitewall or 16" with a 1 1/2" whitewall.

[99-alero]

new pics i took thursday plus iam bored out of my mind

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/002-13.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/007-1.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/005-4.jpg

the 53 chevy is someone at work whom i worked with yrs ago and is into the rockabilly scene big time, the car is chopped 6in, bumpers shortened, guards removed, all shaved, bagged, pics dont do this car justice, it is an amazing car, he alos has a 29 rat rod, chopped, sectioned, bed is hand built, dash board hand built, another awesome car

that 53chev is beautiful i love those cars , would look cool as a rat rod , flat black like jesse james fuckingitupagain chevy

[bdyman]

well then buy it off of him, he wants 30k
cliff i looked on cokers site, i didnt see anything, can ya post the link to what you found on there site

[C_EICK]

http://store.coker.com/radial-whitewall-tires/american-classic/

[bdyman]

well slap my ass and call me late for dinner
this might be something i will have look into

[Cliff8928]

They have redlines too, that might be another option.

[99-alero]

well then buy it off of him, he wants 30k
cliff i looked on cokers site, i didnt see anything, can ya post the link to what you found on there site

let me look behind the couch and see how much i come up with lol

[FrankTheTank]

i think the alero would look sweet with some wide-whites.
the '53 made my pants stick out in the front.

[NickAlero2000]

yea, bdyman's car is AWESOME
don't eff with it

[black00gt1]

looking awsome man love the custom rearend any future plans like brakes or power adder"i didn't see either"

[bdyman]

brakes are new power slot pads and rotors, factory drums, i sold everything else to get the car done, when spring hits i still need to do my exhaust, wheel alignment, mount front new tires,

thats it, and when i do car shows or cruise nights a for sale sign will be in it as well

i would like to thank everyone that did buy the parts off of me, thanks to richie for helpin me out with the tail light wiring, thanks to my daughter for pushing me to finish the car so we can go to car shows, and to ms.bdyman for pushing me as well to get it done already!!

2009 here i come!!!

[hok666]

well make sure you show up to ass 09!!!

[bdyman]

yes i will be there this yr, it may be just me or ms.bdyman or me and my daughter not to sure what is happening too soon to know for sure

[Dhoyle]

thats a gorgeous looking car

[bdyman]

thanks

[mfuller]

Very nice work, Chris. You did a great job.

[bdyman]

thanks matt i appreciate it

[black00gt1]

why do ppl mark there myspace private when they advertise it? i never got that?????

[billytheman1188]

This is one of my top 3 favorite cars on here. I said it before and i'll say it again.....you did an amazing job! I CANT WAIT to see your car at ASS 09! :coolio:

[bdyman]

my myspace is private becasue i dont want the whole world to know and its just for close friends and family, if you want to join my page or my group go ahead and then i will approve you

and thanks dude, i will see you in lansing

[GM_2.4]

Love your car man! Now i want to see a video of it running

[bdyman]

if you mean a dyno run it wont happen i have no need for that, or a video of the air ride or a video of it running down the street sure i can do that
ya just have to wait until spring hits

[FrankTheTank]

a v8 would really finish this beast off.
if only it was feasible.

[bdyman]

lol well i wish i had the funds to do that i would have done something, if i had the equipment i was goin to do a tube chassis, and a body drop, but i dont have the tools for that kinda work

but its low enough, and cool enough for me

[FrankTheTank]

i agree, the v8 rumble would just really finish it.

[bdyman]

i agree, but thats allot of money and iam a poor man

[bdyman]

got the exhaust i wanted done by my buddy james dean muffler, for 60 bucks, wheel alingment, and tires mounted, runs great its loud as hell, it obnoxious loud and i love it

enjoy

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/th_003-15.jpg (http://s113.photobucket.com/albums/n210/bdyman2001/?action=view&current=003-15.flv)

[Cliff8928]

Haha, It's hard to tell how loud it is from the video. But I will say that deck lid looks even more amazing from that angle.

[Gr1m]

what size are your ride valves? 1/4? lol

[bdyman]

yes 1/4 all the way around, dude ya gotta remember iam 38 iam not in my teens or twenties any more, its plenty fast for me

thanks cliff

[Gr1m]

haha yea i have 1/2" and if i run my tank to about 250psi and hit the switch the car gets off the ground

[Nate's Alero]

still looking good!

[bdyman]

thanks i want to drive it so bad but the weather here is horrible

[clutch1]

Dam weather's been so unpredictable in the midwest.. almost got caught out in hail today with the Buick, but I got it home in time.

[bdyman]

dude i know last night i wanted to go to the local hot dog stand for the cruise night and it started to drizzle, i get here to the g/fs house and its sunny wtf??? so i just kept her in the garage and cleaned

[black00gt1]

it was 82 here in crappy ohio yesterday its 76 here now

[jayson_waltz]

it was 82 here in crappy ohio yesterday its 76 here now
i wouldn't call that crappy. we've had a had time getting out of the 50's here lately while its about 80 only 3 hrs away.

[bdyman]

again last night and all day rain, wtf!!! if it isnt rain its snow, c`mon already i just want to drive my car geeezzzsshhhh

[Nate's Alero]

hahah, it was 96 here yesderday, and now its extremely AWESOME out!