Some questions about Audio--barely NSFW

[negolien]

Hey all,

Ok so I have the 2001 Alero GLS sedan with the 8 speaker premium sound and CD, tape Head unit. Not the mansoon I keep hearing about I don't think since I don't have anything mansoony on my head unit. I just purchased the vehicle this week and was wondering if you could explain the 2 ohms thing to me. I was also wondering since this comes with an amp if anyone could post what was run by the head unit and what was run by the amp speaker wise. Thanks in advance I could look I' am sure but I don't wanna be all crawling in my trunk and stuff since I live in an apartment complexe LOL. I can see it now my neighbors walking out seeing me crawling in my trunk and going " Oh look it's a tweaker.." LOL. Thanks in advance.


P.S.
For a stock set up that system fookin pounds:<). If I posted somthing stupid please forgive the nubness.


Nego

[cherrington17]

first off.. you need to find out IF you have the monsoon amp.

just pop your trunk and look under the carpet on the driver's side (i'm pretty sure its on that side) behind the wheelwell. if there is an amp back there... thats the monsoon.

i believe it powers all 4 corners (the 8 speakers) if there isn't one back there, then you have the normal radio version, to which, the radio powers the speakers.

and what makes this so nsfw? we have word filters... nsfw means you posted some kinda semi nude pick, or some link that could get us fired for clicking 17 times.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Basically if you have an amplified stock system to replace it you will need to replace all speakers needed (only 4), the deck and redo all the wiring.

If your not up to the task pay a shop. Not up to paying DONT TOUCH IT THEN. YOu will only create a nightmare otherwise.

[negolien]

Hey,

I' am sure I have an AMP because this thing hits so hard I have shaken peoples cars in my apartments hard enough to set off their alarms :<). I will look though to make sure. So you're saying I could have the Monsoon without it saying Monsoon on the Head unit yes? Basically I' am just looking to replace some speakers in the rear deck I think. Every other speaker seems fine. The rears are cracking a bit though so I was thinking of replacing em. The head unit is fine for my needs atm. Any work done will be done in a shop as have had enough DIY and am now lazy in my old age LOL.

As for the NSFW thing better to be safe then sorry. Some of my on line gaming buddies work for the Government and even the hint of cursing can get them in trouble so I wanted to be safe here since this is only my 2nd post. Thanks for the replies.

Nego

[negolien]

"The factory amplifier sends bass and treble through separate sets of wires to the speakers. You can replace the factory radio with an aftermarket receiver, and the factory amplifier will still drive the rear factory speakers. However, if you want to replace the factory speakers, you'll have to replace the factory radio. You'll also have to bypass the factory amp by cutting and splicing into the factory wire harness."

Blah are you freaking kidding me?

Nego

[negolien]

http://www.conquestauto.com/servlet/the-996/New-GM-Rear-Speaker/Detail

Is this the stock speaker?

[rustyballs_69]

Yep thats a stock speaker.

[Ryan from Ohio]

lmao $54 for that POS.

Anyone who tells you to use the factory amp is an idiot, period. They all suck, period.

Either replace it all or replace what needs to be replaced with stock. Anything in between never works out good. Whatever you do, DO NOT HACK THE WIRES. Dont let anyone else hack the wires. You will so regret it if you do. Just run new wires and be done with it, the right way.

[lonnie]

This is a crazy thread...you asked and tried to answer your own question. Better in the long run to just replace everyting, and its not that bad of a job to do if you have wired a vehicle before. If you like the stock system and have some things that need to be replace then like Ryan said stay stock. If you want alittle more then replace the head unit and all 4speakers and the tweeters...Simple.

[01silveralero]

wut is so not safe for work about this thread???????

[cherrington17]

i think the only bi-amp acceptable speakers (of any quality) anyone has found would be the soundstream tarantula series.

usually have to be ordered online, there aren't very many dealers....

wut is so not safe for work about this thread???????

he explained that in a previous post. skimmer

[01silveralero]

he explained that in a previous post. skimmer

it really isnt that good of a reason though.

[negolien]

Thanks for the responses. I'll check out the Tarantulas Cherrington thanks. As a sidenote I did talk to a buddy of mine that works for a GM dealer and he can get me the speakers for $35 a piece if I decide to go that way.

[jayson_waltz]

^ for the $70 you can get get aftermarket speakers that are better then stock.

[lonnie]

^^that would be very true but unless hes going to add an aftermarket amp it would be pointless to run aftermarket speakers with that monsoon amp. Plus you would have to cut the factory wires to make it work.

[cherrington17]

^says who? let me re-itterate. the tarantula series speakers from soundstream have separate jacks for the woofer and tweeter. he can cut them off the stocks and reapply then to the new speakers, w/o losing anything.

[negolien]

I agree with Cherrinton here atm. I am happy with the stock system actually. The speakers are just old and I was pounding Lincoln parks sick of it and some Matisyahu a bit loud and heard some cracking. I like the stock set-up. It's really all I need atm. I just wanted to replace the speakers in the rear if they were cracking. I'll just have to remember not to turn it up to full blast :<). I do appreciate the responses though. I just found it a bit ridiculous to have to replace an entire system for 2 speakers.

[lonnie]

That amp only pushes like 200watts per channel so whats that like 50 per and thats not RMS so depending on which ones he goes with then he could possible be under powering them. The 01 and above use that rear dual voice coil setup so on each speaker, both voice coils are running off a seperate channel in that amp there's a set of highs and a set of lows, so I believe that there really wouldn't be any gain in adding aftermarket speakers to the stock system. IMO

[lonnie]

I agree with Cherrinton here atm. I am happy with the stock system actually. The speakers are just old and I was pounding Lincoln parks sick of it and some Matisyahu a bit loud and heard some cracking. I like the stock set-up. It's really all I need atm. I just wanted to replace the speakers in the rear if they were cracking. I'll just have to remember not to turn it up to full blast :<). I do appreciate the responses though. I just found it a bit ridiculous to have to replace an entire system for 2 speakers.
I'm just saying that I don't see the need to add aftermarket speakers to a stock setup if you want to run stock then just replace the speakers with stock IMO.

[Ryan from Ohio]

^says who? let me re-itterate. the tarantula series speakers from soundstream have separate jacks for the woofer and tweeter. he can cut them off the stocks and reapply then to the new speakers, w/o losing anything.

Whats the Ohm rating on the Monsoon speakers? The Sound Streams?

Case rested.

You gotta remember that factory amp is matched for the speakers at their impedances. That are what? 2, 6 8 Ohms... Sometimes 10. Its always goofy...

A little crackling is probably just distortion. Turn it down and all is good. When they blow or the surrounds go, you will know it. Pretty confident in that... lol.

[negolien]

LOFL Ryan :<).. Ya that would be the plan. I was thinking I could go with aftermarket if they were cheaper then dealer would rape me for but alas the B-amp stuff screws that idea up. I' am still gonna check out the SoundStreams to see what the deal is. I need to find the specs for the stock system though. I been searching and can't find em yet. I'll keep searching. Did see monsoon on the amp though btw. Thanks for the ideas, responses and general replies.

nego

[Ryan from Ohio]

Well if you have a digital multi meter you can test it yourself and get a close approximate.

[lonnie]

I was looking at the 6.5 soundstreams on some site and they were rated at 3.5 ohms. Wierd?

[cherrington17]

yeah... most of the soundstream speakers are 3ohm.

[Ryan from Ohio]

3.5 Ohm is very close to 4, so probably just DC resistance.

Like if you go out an put a DMM on a 4 Ohm sub you will find about 3.6 Ohms.

[lonnie]

I never got into like competition or anything so seeing anything other then the norm is strange. I wonder if you can get 2ohm speakers never really checked?

Cherry - Other then the noise issues you had how are they performing?

[cherrington17]

mine sound fantastic. but i also have them not mounted as well as i should. (ryan keeps pestering me that i'm killing my own sound quality because i have the outter edge of the tweeter covered) :lol:

they get too loud for my own comfort level, and lose absolutely no clarity.

[lonnie]

Are you just doing a front stage?

[cherrington17]

no. i have the fronts and backs wired up to a 400W amp. the backs are a good mid bass (now that i have a functional h.u) i could never really hear the subs before, but now that everything is working properly, they pound much deeper then the 6x9s.

[lonnie]

no. i have the fronts and backs wired up to a 400W amp. the backs are a good mid bass (now that i have a functional h.u) i could never really hear the subs before, but now that everything is working properly, they pound much deeper then the 6x9s. Cool I don't know why I thought you were just doing a front stage. I really want to put tweeters in my c pillars and some 5.25 in the rear doors. I kind of want that surround sound feeling. I've heard somethings about a center channel speaker taking the + off one channel and the - off the other kind of like a bridge so to speak...haven't really done the research yet but just some ideas floating around.

[cherrington17]

yeah. i'm rocking a 2 door... so i don't get that kinda fun.

[lonnie]

yeah. i'm rocking a 2 door... so i don't get that kinda fun.That's right I had a brain fart!

[Ryan from Ohio]

I never got into like competition or anything so seeing anything other then the norm is strange. I wonder if you can get 2ohm speakers never really checked?

Cherry - Other then the noise issues you had how are they performing?

Rare, but there have been some 2 Ohm speakers avail.

[meadus101]

Honestly, the worst thing I've ever done was replace my headunit. I'm looking at going back to stock really hard.

[cherrington17]

then i think you did something wrong.... i've never liked a stock unit in anything. too...hindered....

[negolien]

Ya know I like the stock system actually. I was amazed at how hard it pounded compared to say our Saturns LOL. Now if I could only listen to it full blast all the time without blowing stuff up I would be happy. I really like the clean look of the stock head unit myself. It more then serves my need. Well cept for the blowing up LOL. I did check out a store in my area that sold the Sound stream 6x9s any idea on a price in your area so I can get a feel for what he's gonna tell me when he replies?

nego

[cherrington17]

i got mine on ebay for $99 for the pair

[lonnie]

Ya know I like the stock system actually. I was amazed at how hard it pounded compared to say our Saturns LOL. Now if I could only listen to it full blast all the time without blowing stuff up I would be happy. I really like the clean look of the stock head unit myself. It more then serves my need. Well cept for the blowing up LOL. I did check out a store in my area that sold the Sound stream 6x9s any idea on a price in your area so I can get a feel for what he's gonna tell me when he replies?

negoWell I think an aftermarket hu properly done will look just as good and be just as pleasing to the ear, but it all depends on the person I guess. I still have my stocker in the closet but thats only so that when I take my aftermarket out I can fill the hole with something. LOL And who still plays cassettes now a days?

[BeeMain]

it says right on the speaker what the resistence is. the 6x9's are 2 and 4.

[Ryan from Ohio]

Ya know I like the stock system actually. I was amazed at how hard it pounded compared to say our Saturns LOL. Now if I could only listen to it full blast all the time without blowing stuff up I would be happy.

nego

Thats the probably. You just have it up to loud past its operational level.

Ive run decks that cost more than my car and I can tell you even with them, you STILL cant run it at full volume.

Just watch the volume control. The speakers start to distort or sound/smell funny turn it down.

[negolien]

Blah ... I only got $300 from the tax refund I was expecting $600. Limits my options alot now :<(. I did look at the SS's online for 78 bucks. I could do that price wise and be ok. I assume a better speaker like the SS's would sound at least as good as the stock even if under powered?
Replacing all the speakers and adding an amp + rewiring it all would probably be out of my price range atm. Wish I could put a volume lock on the HeadUnit so I don't turn it up past halfway LOFL> :<).

[Cliff8928]

i think the only bi-amp acceptable speakers (of any quality) anyone has found would be the soundstream tarantula series.


Rare, but there have been some 2 Ohm speakers avail.

The infinity speakers I have (693.7i and 60.7CS if i remember right) have separate connections for the tweeters and woofers, and are also 2 ohm.