Ecotec Alero Performance Talk

[AleroDrime]

145hp
numbers is mostly like really off anyways but its that supposivly to the wheels or of just the engine, i think a saw somewhere the stock ecotec in the aleros was like 157 hp but i'd go with abhellrazor on that wheels number

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

i think a saw somewhere the stock ecotec in the aleros was like 157 hp

whatever it is your smoking ain't that great :lol:

[HazMatt24]

so far summit has the best prices I've seen on headers for our car

http://www.summitracing.com/search/make/OLDSMOBILE/engine-size/2-2L-134/engine-family/GM-4-cylinder/Department/Exhaust/Section/Headers/?Ns=Rank|Asc

and I believe the official rating on hp was 140

[Fenderxcore]

whatever it is your smoking ain't that great :lol:

For real...Where in hell did you hear that number...You gotta start gettin your facts straight dude...140 is always what I hear

[HazMatt24]

btw, Pacesetter is located here in Phoenix and it's more expensive to go get a header from them directly than it is to order from Summit

[Fenderxcore]

And to add...I am very happy with my Pacesetter armor coated header, Magnaflow High Flow Cat, and Pacesetter Catback (Yeah I bought it, sounds ricey before operating temp...Once warmed up it's actually kinda deep) All of which I got through Summit with no problems.

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu190/Brasseur/11130911321.jpg

I'll get a pic of the header someday when I'm not feeling lazy...I put it on in November and there is no evidence of any surface rust yet...So far it seems like an awesome product

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I think I'll get the Cobalt SS header...


it's alway been 140 @ crank, I laugh at kids who are all about crank horsepower, personally I could care less about hp I just wanna go fast...

[Malibu369258]

And to add...I am very happy with my Pacesetter armor coated header, Magnaflow High Flow Cat, and Pacesetter Catback (Yeah I bought it, sounds ricey before operating temp...Once warmed up it's actually kinda deep) All of which I got through Summit with no problems.


I'll get a pic of the header someday when I'm not feeling lazy...I put it on in November and there is no evidence of any surface rust yet...So far it seems like an awesome product

Get an exhaust vid up at operating temp... I wanna hear this...

[HazMatt24]

And to add...I am very happy with my Pacesetter armor coated header, Magnaflow High Flow Cat, and Pacesetter Catback (Yeah I bought it, sounds ricey before operating temp...Once warmed up it's actually kinda deep) All of which I got through Summit with no problems.

I'll get a pic of the header someday when I'm not feeling lazy...I put it on in November and there is no evidence of any surface rust yet...So far it seems like an awesome product

I went Flowmaster 40 and the only time I think it sounds ricey is if you stomp on it right away. Firing up it sounds awesome and give it a minute to warm up and it has a pretty decent sound wot (I think I actually posted a sound clip on here somewhere). I had the shop I got it at do 2.5 cat back, cost me about 2 bills I think, I honestly don't remember. Did you actually do the header install yourself?

[Fenderxcore]

Get an exhaust vid up at operating temp... I wanna hear this...

Next time my sis comes home I'll see if i can use her video camera...I'm pretty sure I can upload stuff online from it

I'll try and do a in-car/out-car vid

I'll elaborate more...It's DEEP till you hit about 3200 RPM's which is a little higher than your average shift point if you're not driving like a maniac

Once you really get on it it gets a higher pitch but it doesn't sound half bad at all...I've seen the vid of the exhaust on the 2.4 an I promise it's much healthier sounding

I had just the catback on for a little over a week before I put the header and CAT on and that sounded real nice and deep at all RPM's

[Fenderxcore]

I went Flowmaster 40 and the only time I think it sounds ricey is if you stomp on it right away. Firing up it sounds awesome and give it a minute to warm up and it has a pretty decent sound wot (I think I actually posted a sound clip on here somewhere). I had the shop I got it at do 2.5 cat back, cost me about 2 bills I think, I honestly don't remember. Did you actually do the header install yourself?

Yeah I did the install myself...Not hard at all cept for becoming friends with swivel sockets for some of the manifold bolts...Also needed a 3 foot extension to attach the downpipe to the header from under the car

[HazMatt24]

guess if I'm gonna do that I need to either do it in the next two months, wait until November, or have a shop do it. I'm not trying to work on a car in AZ in the summer. Did that last year with my wife's cousin's Accord. Nothing like sweating balls at 2 in the morning

[Fenderxcore]

Yeah luckily I had access to a lift

[HazMatt24]

Yeah luckily I had access to a lift

I got jack stands and that's about it. Fucking car is like 4 tacos off the ground too with the sprint spring drop I have. F it, I'll just find a shop that will put it in.

[Vic28]

The LSJ header is pretty close fit, first I was like fuk aint gonna fit, but i havent had a problem hitting or rattling even when there is engine movement while shifts. Ill recommend ya get the armor coated one tho, I regret not getting it, the black one melts the paint in about 10 mins of driving after install.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

yeah Fender Reccomended getting the Armor coat so that's what I'll get.
I would go for a 4-2-1 set up but I don't want the Tsudo and the Rk Sport & OBX ones are out of my budget

[Fenderxcore]

Took some videos on my phone today of the exhaust, instead of waiting for the camera...I don't have texting though so I gotta have my buddy put his memory card in my phone tomorrow then email me them

[Malibu369258]

Took some videos on my phone today of the exhaust, instead of waiting for the camera...I don't have texting though so I gotta have my buddy put his memory card in my phone tomorrow then email me them

Glad you didn't forget, can't wait to hear them, although I don't how good quality your phone's video taking capabilities are.

[HazMatt24]

found the exhaust post

here you go, keep in mind I don't have a header installed yet, and it isn't the best camera in the world, it's at night so you can't see anything but I wanted to get the sound up

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c265/hazmatt24/th_exhaust.jpg (http://s29.photobucket.com/albums/c265/hazmatt24/?action=view&current=exhaust.flv)

[Malibu369258]

found the exhaust post

So that's just the 2.5" cat back with the Flowmaster 40, no resonator?

Once I get mine installed it should be pretty mellow and deep, I got a 2.5" Magnaflow muffler C/C (To be installed in place of the resonator), and a 2.5" 4x9 Oval Magnaflow Muffler, plus a oval tip waiting to be installed.

[HazMatt24]

So that's just the 2.5" cat back with the Flowmaster 40, no resonator?

that it is sir.

[Fenderxcore]

Yeah I'm not sure how the quality is gonna be or if it's too loud for the mic or not but we'll see...At least you'll get an idea till I get my hands on a real camera

[colonel6632]

well i finally purchased a intake from cosmo racing for my alero. nothing big, it's it's finally a step forwards for her

[Vic28]

Cool ;)

[HazMatt24]

I got the Cosmo intake but I had fitment issues with the battery until I went to an Optima. The Duralast or whatever with the post extender for the amp was rubbing the intake tube.

[heineck]

no joke, im rockin tape over the pos. terminal so it doesn't touch the intake.

[HazMatt24]

no joke, im rockin tape over the pos. terminal so it doesn't touch the intake.

I did that too. Got plenty of clearance with the Optima though. Problem is, I didn't use the bracket originally due to the terminal touching and now I can't find it :lol: Guess this means it's time to clean around the house

[colonel6632]

well... it's gonna take about 2 or 3 weeks to get mine. it takes paypal a week just to get the money... sometimes it would be nice to have a credit card

[Malibu369258]

I ordered the short ram from HPS, don't think anyone on here has one, payed $171 shipped from Auto Grimmig, customer service isn't bad, just a lot of people with an Asian accent working there...<--- No offense to anyone on here.

Seems all ecotec owners on here have the one from Cosmo, just wanted to be a little different lol.

[colonel6632]

cosmo is $40 cheaper, so thats why i went with it

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

makes no difference what brand you get as long as the air flows better thats all that really matters.

[Vic28]

Yea pipes are pipes. I would worry more about the filter lol.

[Malibu369258]

yeah this one comes with a K&N filter, don't what kind the Cosmo uses...

[HazMatt24]

you can buy a K&N to put on the Cosmo tube

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Cosmo uses a generic filter

[Fenderxcore]

I bought the AEM CAI, so much money-_-...This was before I knew about Aleromod

[HazMatt24]

I bought the AEM CAI, so much money-_-...This was before I knew about Aleromod

at least you got a cool logo, right?

[Fenderxcore]

Lol yea it looks badass...Plus being a true cold air is pretty nice

[heineck]

I was thinkin about buyin an aem just for the CARB tag so cops out here don't try to gimme shit

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I'm sure cops have way bigger fish to fry than some guy who has an air intake that doesn't have a CARB tag.

[Cliff8928]

I wouldn't be so sure of that in California... They probably thrive off that stuff.

[Malibu369258]

I'm sure cops have way bigger fish to fry than some guy who has an air intake that doesn't have a CARB tag.

You'd be surprised...it's California.

[HazMatt24]

yeah, California is so broke I heard they were gonna start going after people with unlicensed dogs so a CARB tag isn't surprising.

[heineck]

Yea its horrible, they put like 200 more stoplight cameras and shortened the length of yellow lights by a second and a half, and if u run one of those "rigged" lights its $437. Yea cops out here will bust ur ass for anything and evrything. I was at a redlight once next to a black and white and a cop actually got out of the passenger side, walked behind my car to look at my exhaust and then got back in. I think they were lookin for a fart can and since they didn't see one they let me slide.

[Ttop191]

pigs....

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Glad I don't live there, you'd think with such a large population it would be easy for them to make money...

[AleroDrime]

speaking of exchanging filters spectra has a filter available at autozone, its end is breathable unlike the cosmos whos sides are only breathable, would there be an actual difference in these?

[HazMatt24]

if you're talking about the eco with cosmo WAI, I highly doubt you'd notice any difference based upon the placement of the filter in the car

[heineck]

Glad I don't live there, you'd think with such a large population it would be easy for them to make money...


Ehh LAs got its good and bad. The thing is, there's such a huge population of illegal mexicans who come over use our medical sevices, skip on the payment, take under the table jobs and don't pay taxes. There's no way to make money off poeple who aren't on the grid that's y all of us who are have ridiculous taxes on evrything. A year ago our registration fees were doubled My moms yearly registration for her car came out to around $240

[HazMatt24]

Ehh LAs got its good and bad. The thing is, there's such a huge population of illegal mexicans who come over use our medical sevices, skip on the payment, take under the table jobs and don't pay taxes. There's no way to make money off poeple who aren't on the grid that's y all of us who are have ridiculous taxes on evrything. A year ago our registration fees were doubled My moms yearly registration for her car came out to around $240

mine is due for my 03 Alero and it's $113, for one year

[Vic28]

BAck on topic:

The GP: M62 to L61 GM Throttle Body Spacer group buy is taking place right now. GM p/n 12590814. This is the OEM spacer made by the original company that made them for GM. This is the only way to get an OEM adapter, since GM discontinued the kits. This has been the piece that everyone needs and scare ppl away cause they dont have the fab skillz when they are piecing a Cobalt S/C kit. heres a link http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12062

For those that might need this on the future.

[AleroDrime]

if you're talking about the eco with cosmo WAI, I highly doubt you'd notice any difference based upon the placement of the filter in the car

ive gone cold air

[Malibu369258]

BAck on topic:

The GP: M62 to L61 GM Throttle Body Spacer group buy is taking place right now. GM p/n 12590814. This is the OEM spacer made by the original company that made them for GM. This is the only way to get an OEM adapter, since GM discontinued the kits. This has been the piece that everyone needs and scare ppl away cause they dont have the fab skillz when they are piecing a Cobalt S/C kit. heres a link http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12062

For those that might need this on the future.

People who want to supercharge their Ecotec, should definitely consider this, I already got my invoice... The price really isn't that bad.

[colonel6632]

mine is due for my 03 Alero and it's $113, for one year

for the alero, it costs me $90 a month. if i make a one time year payment its around the $1000 mark

[Malibu369258]

Crate Engine Depot still has the GM supercharger kits for Cavalier/Sunfire 2.2 Ecotec in stock (leftovers), I e-mailed them today and got a response back in a few hours telling me that they have "plenty in stock." If anyone is interested it'll cost you about $2500 shipped. Just a heads up for people that were looking.

[Fenderxcore]

Update: Buddy took the vids off my phone today...Just waiting on him to email to me...I won't lie either before I get bashed ha...I think I hit somewhere between 90-95 in one vid...As an example of the sound! haha

[Cliff8928]

Crate Engine Depot still has the GM supercharger kits for Cavalier/Sunfire 2.2 Ecotec in stock (leftovers), I e-mailed them today and got a response back in a few hours telling me that they have "plenty in stock." If anyone is interested it'll cost you about $2500 shipped. Just a heads up for people that were looking.

If only I didn't get charged tax on it...

FYI.. Crate engine depot changed ownership from Lattoff Chevrolet which was one of the GM dealers that got closed to Rockenbach Chevrolet.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

@ $2500 hmm I could buy a used m62 from a Balt or Redline, HP Tuners with credits, a wideband gauge kit and, redo the exhaust lol the only upside to buying from crate engine depot is you're not buying used.

[Malibu369258]

If they still have one by end of Summer, I will buy one regardless, I like new, unused parts..., plus its a complete kit.

Question for Vic28, I know your running on the Cavalier Supercharger tune, how's that working for you, any issues? Just asking since your the only Alero I know that's actually using the dealer tune...

[Vic28]

If they still have one by end of Summer, I will buy one regardless, I like new, unused parts..., plus its a complete kit.

Question for Vic28, I know your running on the Cavalier Supercharger tune, how's that working for you, any issues? Just asking since your the only Alero I know that's actually using the dealer tune...
The tune is running the car fine(like if is a cavy). What doesnt work on my car is the Gas gauge(believe is related with the BCM not matching a jbody). I also have the Check Vehicle Soon, which HP tuner says something about wheel spin. I think that has to do with the wheel diameter. Ill get the codes tomorrow from HPT cause I cant remember from top of my head.
As far a the tune itself, it runs pretty rich at WOT. Too rich means its robbing power. It does allow you to drop a different pulley to make some extra PSI and compensate for being too rich.

I do plan to have the car tune once I have everything on it. Im satisfied with the tune since it gave me the option to run the car like if SC came on the car, and test all my installation, plus it gave me time to buy the other stuff.

[heineck]

any dyno numbers yet?

[Vic28]

any dyno numbers yet?
not yet lol... im trying to install the aftercooler when the weather start getting higher 40-50s. Also drop a smaller pulley and than tune it maybe even throw some cams. I might dyno it before all this so I can compare before and after. Im so damn anxious to hit the track too :lol: .

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Remember that the GM reflash for the Cavaliers is locked so you'll have to go back to your alero PCM.

[Fenderxcore]

Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFU2Tsg7zVY&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDZgghZb2gg

[Malibu369258]

Here ya go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFU2Tsg7zVY&feature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDZgghZb2gg

Still hard to tell... too much distortion.

Anyways, I'm still looking into the supercharger kit from Crate Engine Depot or whoever else has a new complete kit, expensive I know, but I got mad overtime coming at me in the next few months, which will pay for this no problem.

I talked to a few shops in Denver area to do the tuning once I'm done with the install, and most have been giving me an estimate ranging from $300-$500.

[Vic28]

Still hard to tell... too much distortion.

Anyways, I'm still looking into the supercharger kit from Crate Engine Depot or whoever else has a new complete kit, expensive I know, but I got mad overtime coming at me in the next few months, which will pay for this no problem.

I talked to a few shops in Denver area to do the tuning once I'm done with the install, and most have been giving me an estimate ranging from $300-$500.
Thats sounds like a resonable price range and you dont have to buy HPtuner unless you want to. Btw with a blower the exhaust is gonna be louder but I think you know that, and I mean comparing n/a to s/c on the same setup.
Heres mine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgj2kNwHv8Q
at WOT fkn loud lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZObWXdqBpA

[Malibu369258]

Thats sounds like a resonable price range and you dont have to buy HPtuner unless you want to. Btw with a blower the exhaust is gonna be louder but I think you know that, and I mean comparing n/a to s/c on the same setup.


At least I'll have a reason to be loud lol...

Cat-back exhaust will be done here shortly, already have the parts for a cat-back, header will be done later down the road.

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr137/mackey1290/100_1715.jpg

[colonel6632]

i like your exhaust vic28

[Fenderxcore]

Lol just wait till I get my hands on a real cam

[Weazel]

Once you get everything set up and tuned you HAVE to show me your car Vic. I'll take that Dyno trip with you haha

[Malibu369258]

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[aleroace]

where did you get the strut bar

[Fenderxcore]

WTF...What strut bar

[HazMatt24]

I don't know which one he's talking about either.

I did get mine off ebay though

[Vic28]

Got the H/E running now. I would be getting a 3.0 pulley and prolly having it tune by SMG around summer time. But I need to fix my front main seal before I drop that pulley.

[Malibu369258]

That's great man, should definitely bring your IAT down, just in time for Summer...

[Vic28]

Malibu you been kinda quiet... what you been up too lol, I smell a lil surprise.

[Malibu369258]

Not really, just slowin down on the purchases, since I'll be going to Lansing in a few months.

Hank from Hanksville Hot Rods, finally got back to me, said he'll schedule me in the last week of April to get my custom mandrel bent exhaust put together...

[Vic28]

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/R3NEG4DE/Car/002.jpg

[colonel6632]

bigger pully?

[Malibu369258]

bigger pully?

More like smaller pulley...

[Vic28]

Gonna run a meth kit on the ho...and doing some traction bars soon :)

[colonel6632]

wish i had your money man, but if i did, i'd go turbo. and turbo 2.2 eco's yet? i can think of any in an alero on this site

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

if Heineck ever starts his build he will be, If I can find a block to build I will be in about 10-15 months time :lol:

[heineck]

I've got the snail and an intercooler that's about it lol. The main thing holding me back is the tuning, no point settin it all up to have the pcm not be able to read boost. Hopin to have it boosted by sept

[Vic28]

Theres a grand am turbo ecotec 5 speed..im hopin to get my bro a cavy and swap my setup and go turbo. My supercharger is still fun, and I can run about the same power a turbo would give me before blowin the motor. And the only thing that doesnt let me turbo is having my space to work on my car, which blows, you guys are lucky.

[Vic28]

Bump for the ecotecs lol

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Nothing Happening here ATM, wanting a N/A build, seen some guy build a 2.2 in a balt just shy of 190 whp All Motor.

[Vic28]

Something else will be coming soon..

[colonel6632]

cant wait to see

[zearchyo]

turbo!

[Vic28]

cant wait to see
Honestly wont be this soon cause money and time, but it has become my project. Ohh and winter coming has alot to do lol..

[colonel6632]

ya man, the alero is my project. i've got a few aftermarkets for the eco installed, but i was busy getting the thing back to road worthy and fixing the suspension and brake components. mines almost paid off, once that happens. i want this girl to fly