Ecotec Alero Performance Talk

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

We all know that the L61 Ecotec is an aftermarket friendly engine and lots of the j-body guys have had great success with the L61. I wanted to create this thread to see and discuss what the L61 owners on Aleromod want to do, have done, think would be cool to do with the L61 engine. We all have talked about turbo set ups and supercharger set ups, has anyone done one yet or even attempted on this engine in an Alero? I would also like to find out who has done the most to the L61 on this site? I don't want to hear about boosted LD9's and LA1's or J-bodies this is "Alero's with the Ecotec" specific talk.

so far I have the Cosmo Racing SRI and a cat back exhaust.

I would like to look into making my exhaust system a header back system, upgrading the fuel system, cams, throttle body, ported intake manifold, upgrading the ignition system, ported and polished head, and a PCM tune. Personally I could care less about fuel economy.

and yes I know the last gen J-bodies have the same engine but they still are a different car.

[Vic28]

I like where this is going ;). Im gathering parts right now. I only got a WAI in it.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I like where this is going ;). Im gathering parts right now. I only got a WAI in it.

what kind of parts are you gathering?

[Vic28]

Cosmo Racing Inktake:
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/R3NEG4DE/Car/Jun08_0002.jpg
Also got HPTuners(waiting for them to calibrate the OS)
Just got this yesterday delivered(not the turbo)
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/R3NEG4DE/Car/turboparts.png
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/R3NEG4DE/Car/IMG_3903.jpg

Ill be taking my time, main reason I dont start putting stuff together is due to not having a garage available. Hoping to move soon and start once I got my stuff.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

That's pretty sweet, what size turbo do you plan on using?

[AleroDrime]

does anyone have a turbo on an ecotec yet?

[Vic28]

t3/t4 50 trim. I need the more info in the charge piping route. I was lookin at the j-bodies, thought that was the way, but seems different with the n-body. I dont see the so "call space of a manual transmission" lol.
This was my first Idea of running it(pic is a j-body tho)... now the n-body has a Bar (where he has the hanging wires). Hoping to see pictures of Spyhunter setup even tho his a 2.4.
http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1687/4341/4217170192_large.jpg

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

That's pretty common from my understanding. Any plans to do internals in the future?

[Vic28]

That's pretty common from my understanding. Any plans to do internals in the future?
Not right away, Im just gonna start with 6-8 psi and proper tuned. Later in the future prolly will do, but in that case I need to been moved to a house with a garage.

[AleroDrime]

so no 2.2 has a turbo on it yet?

[Nate's Alero]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPTE3F7pIHo


fail aleroracing

[AleroDrime]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPTE3F7pIHo


fail aleroracing

i really meant in terms of aleros with 2.2s

[Spilner521]

Not right away, Im just gonna start with 6-8 psi and proper tuned. Later in the future prolly will do, but in that case I need to been moved to a house with a garage.
Need some cams? I have Comp turbo grind cams for the Eco I'd like to get rid of...

[Valley olds]

I was considering forced induction by the end of this year, but I think Im going to start working a little on my delta instead. As for the ECO, I am going naturally aspirated to start. WAI (If I can find paper filter, with paper filter), Exhaust, shift kit, z-spec crank and alternator pulley, and maybe the poly tranny mount. The header Im not getting cus I do have forced induction plans for the future, I just dont know if its supercharging, or turbocharging plans yet.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Not right away, Im just gonna start with 6-8 psi and proper tuned. Later in the future prolly will do, but in that case I need to been moved to a house with a garage.
hopefully your luck is nothing like mine cause if your luck is anything like mine the garage will be full of stuff and you'll have little room for an engine build. 6-8 psi is reasonable start especially on a stock motor.

[Valley olds]

Just wondering, does anyone know what the Eco doing 15.22 on aleromod's top ten quarter mile times did to get to the 15.22?

Just did a search. There was a thread that said all he had was an intake and exhaust. The thread said he had a factory freak.

[leoalero]

on streetfire.com,it says he have nothing but an intake,is that true?!???idk but mine sure dont do in the 15's and i have an eco with an intake,5 speed!

[Valley olds]

This is the thread I found about this. On post 25 MikeSS says he had a custom CAI, cat-back with a Magnaflow muffler, and springtech springs to get no rearward body motion when launching his car. Thats it. I guess thats why they called it a factory freak.

http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17434&page=2&highlight=15.22

[Vic28]

on streetfire.com,it says he have nothing but an intake,is that true?!???idk but mine sure dont do in the 15's and i have an eco with an intake,5 speed!
What did it run??, if you ever ran the car.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

maybe he got lucky the track was at a low elevation, cool air temperatures, and a warm enough track to get good traction. It's just a thought

[Valley olds]

AbHeLlRaZoR: maybe he got lucky the track was at a low elevation, cool air temperatures, and a warm enough track to get good traction. It's just a thought

That's true. What would be the ideal temperature to get the best times?

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

That's true. What would be the ideal temperature to get the best times?

I have no idea but we all know the cooler the better

[Merlyn]

Wanted to get opinions on a few upgrades...
All of these are from http://www.z-spec.com/catalog.htm

Headers:
http://www.z-spec.com/Lrg_Images/ecotecheader.jpg
Is this a bolt on deal?
Are there any gaskets needed?

TB: "This TB is 62 mm right through and comes with
a new CNC 62 mm diameter throttle plate.
Easy bolt-on install for 10+ HP gain"
http://www.z-spec.com/Lrg_Images/62mmtbbefaft.jpg
Bolt on assembly?
Any other equiment needed?

Is an intake manifold required for the 62mm Throttle Body?

Where can I get a 2.2L Eco ported Intake manifold?


Thanks in advance guys.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Is an intake manifold required for the 62mm Throttle Body?
Where can I get a 2.2L Eco ported Intake manifold?


No you do not require another intake manifold, look around I have seen a few guys with aftermarket ones on boosted J-bodies if it fits a Cavalier or Sunfire with the 2.2L it will fit ours.

[Vic28]

This what Ill be doing next. I just found this yesterday, and it answer my question basicly.
I need mounts for the tranny, front and back. check this cardomain.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2710348

[NickAlero2000]

This what Ill be doing next. I just found this yesterday, and it answer my question basicly.
I need mounts for the tranny, front and back. check this cardomain.
http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2710348

You better do it up by the end of this season, I want to race you boosted Alero Vs. boosted Alero :D
Would be epic!!!:cool:

[Vic28]

You better do it up by the end of this season, I want to race you boosted Alero Vs. boosted Alero :D
Would be epic!!!:cool:
lol ill be the one worried about missing second lmao.:lol: I wished I can do it this years, but dont think is gonna happen.

[heineck]

wow i missed this thread for i eco i just got a turbo imma run it at about 8 psi untill i build a forged l61

[Alerosaint]

^^hurry up...lol

[heineck]

bwahaha look what came in the mail while i was at ASS, its obviously not a 25 but fro the price im not complaining

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g304/freezepoint/IMG00363.jpg

[NickAlero2000]

lol ill be the one worried about missing second lmao.:lol: I wished I can do it this years, but dont think is gonna happen.

Haha its all good, take your time. You're beating me N/A 2.2 Vs. N/A 2.4 anyway so. . .im not too worried bout it
lmao

[Vic28]

bwahaha look what came in the mail while i was at ASS, its obviously not a 25 but fro the price im not complaining

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g304/freezepoint/IMG00363.jpg
How much you got it for? and what specs?

[heineck]

.42/.63 and i got it for 160

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

it's still a turbo so that's all that matters, is it brand new or used?

[heineck]

The dude i got it from used it in a sandrail for a little while i think 2 months,

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

The dude i got it from used it in a sandrail for a little while i think 2 months,

I wouldn't really worry about it then.

[heineck]

O im not worried at all LOL the only thing thats got me stumped it the outlet is real small, so if i use 2 inch charge i think it might lose pressure and lower boost

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

O im not worried at all LOL the only thing thats got me stumped it the outlet is real small, so if i use 2 inch charge i think it might lose pressure and lower boost I'm pretty sure some one here could answer that for you on here just start a thread.

[heineck]

Well its about the same size as ions so imma hit him up LOL

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

^ let us know the result...

[Valley olds]

Hey everyone, I was wondering, around what is the best time the ecotec can pull at the track na. Maybe with CAI, headers, full header back exhaust, etc...

[Vic28]

Hey everyone, I was wondering, around what is the best time the ecotec can pull at the track na. Maybe with CAI, headers, full header back exhaust, etc...
Check TOP 1/4 Mile List...

[Merlyn]

Can we use the 62mm throttle body on the eco without a ported intake manifold?
I need to know what direction to start collecting in....

[Vic28]

can you port a plastic intake manifold???

[Merlyn]

Guess I shoulda used my brain for that one...Does any body have the 62mm T/B on their eco? If so, what was the performance change?
I've got Wai - gonig to cold air this month, and a catback exhaust...

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

if you want a higher flowing intake manifold your going to have to hunt down an aftermarket aluminum one there hard to find and ain't exactly easy on the pocket book either. http://www.vulcanturbo.com/intakemanifolds.html

[heineck]

Yea the hahn's are 300 and it looks like nothin special

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

If you had the fab skills and know how I'm sure you could fab up one for less than half that.

[01OldsAleroGt]

honestly lookin at all this.. i love my 3400 but im starting to fall for the 2.2 eco.... especially since there is one for sale up the road from me 02 2.2 5 speed

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

honestly lookin at all this.. i love my 3400 but im starting to fall for the 2.2 eco.... especially since there is one for sale up the road from me 02 2.2 5 speed

it never hurts to have a project car... Hint Hint Nudge Nudge

[Valley olds]

I was looking at the Ecotecpower forum, and saw this. It upgrades your 2.2 intake to a 2.4 intake.

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/Cobalt-24-Intake-Kit-W67C144.aspx

[heineck]

Or could just go nab it off an HHR for 40 i was thinin about it but id rather have the hahn with a turbo setup

[colonel6632]

im interested in this... just got buy any 2.4 intake and toss it on?

[heineck]

Theres a write up on ecotec forum i came across way back, but yea the ports match up perfectly

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I keep reading up on this stuff I see the possibility of a turbo build for me in the future.

[heineck]

im hopin to be the first on here LOL wait has anybody on here turboed an L61 yet?

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I haven't heard of there being one yet, but I think I'm going to try to be the first with a fully built one.

[colonel6632]

would the intake manifold off the alero 2.4 work... or is there a certian one thats the best?

[heineck]

no, the LD9 is totally diff engine its gotta be off an LE5 eco

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

does it say if anyone used it on a Cavalier or Sunfire on the ecotec forums?

[heineck]

yea that sites mainly cavys

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

oh sweet.

[colonel6632]

2006–2007 Chevrolet Cobalt SS
2008 Chevrolet Cobalt Sport
2006–2008 Chevrolet HHR
2006–2008 Pontiac G5/Pursuit
2006–present Pontiac G6
2006–present Pontiac Solstice
2006–present Saturn Sky
2006–2007 Saturn Ion
2008–present Saturn Aura
2008–present Chevrolet Malibu
2008–present Saturn Vue

i did a quick qiki on that engine... heres the list of cars i got... for those interested

[colonel6632]

also... i've been doing some reading on this. heres what i've come up with. please help me out here guys.

so if you do this swap (2.4 manifold) you should get a tune done on your car. on f-body cars you have to because the ecm doesn't look at the air flow and your car will run like shit. cobalts dont need to be tuned but will gain more horsepower than without a tune since they do adjust for the added air flow somewhat.

and you will also need an adapter with a whole or something for the throttle body... i am seriously interested in this swap... i'm assuming i would need to get new gaskets if i get the parts from a junk yard?

and sounds like 2.4 throttle bodies are fly by wire (i think thats what it's called) so they can't be used on our cars since we use fly by cable...

hows my research look?

[heineck]

Umm a little backwards, iirc the HHR has an electric TB and we have cable driven

[Valley olds]

Colonel6632:also... i've been doing some reading on this. heres what i've come up with. please help me out here guys.

so if you do this swap (2.4 manifold) you should get a tune done on your car. on f-body cars you have to because the ecm doesn't look at the air flow and your car will run like shit. cobalts dont need to be tuned but will gain more horsepower than without a tune since they do adjust for the added air flow somewhat.

and you will also need an adapter with a whole or something for the throttle body... i am seriously interested in this swap... i'm assuming i would need to get new gaskets if i get the parts from a junk yard?

and sounds like 2.4 throttle bodies are fly by wire (i think thats what it's called) so they can't be used on our cars since we use fly by cable...

hows my research look?
Your research is pretty good.
According to the research Ive been doing, you can use the manifold even if you have a cable driven throttle body. You need to buy an adapter plate that will allow for this. Also, I dont know if this applies to aleros, but it said something about making a slit in the manifold for the IAC sensor (dont know what this is).

http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7718&highlight=intake+manifold

Just thought I'd add I love this thread:)

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I think I would spend the money and get the Short runner intake manifold from Vulcan Turbo sure it costs more but w/e it doesn't look stock.

[Valley olds]

I actually like the fact that the 2.4 one looks stock. I also like that its plastic, thus lighter than an aluminum one.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

true... so very true about plastic being lighter, plastic doesn't warm up as fast either. I'll figure out what route I'll take as I continue searching.

[Noseminer]

Ya i believe that i've read on ecotec forum that the aluminum intakes heat up more than the stock ones and that the stock ones are pretty good up to 300 hp anyway. One of you guys gotta hurry up and go turbo cause i wanna see what one of our alero's can do with a turbo eco.

[colonel6632]

thanks valley. i found that also! i would go and buy a 2.4 manifold right away... but i'm not sure where i would drill the hole for the aic module thing to go. and where it goes and stuff like that.

and would our ecms adjust for the added air flow? not like the f body cars

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Ya i believe that i've read on ecotec forum that the aluminum intakes heat up more than the stock ones and that the stock ones are pretty good up to 300 hp anyway.
I wonder what would happen if the aluminum intakes where Ceramic coated or Jet Hot coated?

[heineck]

jet hot coated would be sweet

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

By the looks of the dealer search on the Jet Hot website there is no Canadian dealers and I ain't having much luck finding any on google...

[heineck]

i want the saab mani honestly

[colonel6632]

i want the saab mani honestly

go on... never heard of anything about the saab intake

[heineck]

well i havent seen it on yet but i heard of some pretty nice gains with it its off a 9-3 but there is some modding needed
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/9878/p1011526bm9.jpg




then i saw this and im kinda diggin it
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2616000-2616999/2616211_93_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2616000-2616999/2616211_94_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2616000-2616999/2616211_92_full.jpg
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2616000-2616999/2616211_95_full.jpg

[Blktrax]

I'd thought I'd chime in on this (cause im being a post whore, but helping out at the same time), I did the Dyno tuning on the maniforld swap for CrateEngineDepot.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/Chevy-Cobalt-22-Dyno-Runs_126557.htm
The 2.4 has a larger inlet at the throttle body, I swapped the 2.4 unit witch was a direct swap. Granted the cobalt is fly by wire. I see no reason that the cable throttlebody wont bolt up. The contraversy sparked on Cobaltss.net was the trade off in the power curve though. The 2.4 used VVTI and that makes up low end torque. The 2.4 Manifold has longer runners, it gained significantly at the high end but lost in the 2k to 3k range.

Any questions I'll be happy to answer.

Also to some other comments: That Saab intake bounced aroudn the cobaltss forum al ot too about how to get the L61 to and LNF motor, but frankly unless someone really wanted to do it themselves it was way cheaper to trade up to an accual Cobalt SS with the LSJ or LNF. However now myself being and Alero Addicted guy I can see the attraction, it can be done, just a lot of fab work.


I was looking at the Ecotecpower forum, and saw this. It upgrades your 2.2 intake to a 2.4 intake.

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/Cobalt-24-Intake-Kit-W67C144.aspx

Theres a write up on ecotec forum i came across way back, but yea the ports match up perfectly

would the intake manifold off the alero 2.4 work... or is there a certian one thats the best?

also... i've been doing some reading on this. heres what i've come up with. please help me out here guys.

so if you do this swap (2.4 manifold) you should get a tune done on your car. on f-body cars you have to because the ecm doesn't look at the air flow and your car will run like shit. cobalts dont need to be tuned but will gain more horsepower than without a tune since they do adjust for the added air flow somewhat.

and you will also need an adapter with a whole or something for the throttle body... i am seriously interested in this swap... i'm assuming i would need to get new gaskets if i get the parts from a junk yard?

and sounds like 2.4 throttle bodies are fly by wire (i think thats what it's called) so they can't be used on our cars since we use fly by cable...

hows my research look?

Your research is pretty good.
According to the research Ive been doing, you can use the manifold even if you have a cable driven throttle body. You need to buy an adapter plate that will allow for this. Also, I dont know if this applies to aleros, but it said something about making a slit in the manifold for the IAC sensor (dont know what this is).

http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7718&highlight=intake+manifold

Just thought I'd add I love this thread:)

[heineck]

i just wanna make sure i read that right u did the 2.4 swap?

[Blktrax]

Correct,

2.2L to 2.4L Intake manifold swap. On a 2007 Cobalt

[heineck]

nice, so it was all high end? i wouldnt mind a bit more in the 4-5 range

[Blktrax]

Stock 2007 Cobalt vs 2.2 with 2.4 Manifold Theres so much potential there, it just needed tuned cause even with the extra air it was still runnin WAY rich.
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/images/basevmodhp_large.jpg

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/images/basevmodtq_large.jpg

[colonel6632]

well i'm am going to look into this. i'm going to try to find a 2.4 manifold at a junk yard and buy it. few questions.

can i reuse the gaskets to make things cheaper?

and can someone explain to me more about the aic slot and where it is on our manifolds and what i would need to do to use it on the new one

[Blktrax]

You should be able to reuse the gaskets, but really they're not that expensive.

Im not filmilar with the alero TB setup , so someone else will have to chime in on that.

[colonel6632]

i got this from this link
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136317


and heres the comparision for the 2 intakes.

2.4 intake
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/portugalfocus/SDC14365.jpg

and the 2.2 intake
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/portugalfocus/SDC14366.jpg

and the two throttle bodies
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/portugalfocus/SDC14362.jpg
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/portugalfocus/SDC14361.jpg

like i said... stole those pictures from the link.

so it appears to me (please someone correct me before i do this is screw something up) that you can just take the 2.2 gasket off the original manifold, install it on the 2.4 manifold and cut a little hole in the top of it for the aic.

would that sound good?

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Those are the electronic Throttle bodies there may be a slight difference of how ours is.

[Blktrax]

We need pics of the alero 2.2 throttle body off and manifold. Any takers?

[heineck]

uhh when i get my 2.4 manifold id be happy to take pics

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2648/93/50/730276927/n730276927_2819814_6748394.jpg
here's one of the cable ones its on the 2.2 manifold I took the picture when changing my air intake

[Blktrax]

Ok thats 1/2 of what i was lookign for, That shows the IAC is in the same place above the throttle body in the same place the passage is.

Second it shows generaly the throttle body is the same, base type.

Third it doesnt show rather the routing of the brake booster vacuum line, the 2.4 gets moved below the throttle body where the 2.2 has a block plate and its routed up top under #4 intake

See manifole pics above form colonel6632 on the 2.4 manifold where the tube comes out directly under where the throttle body mounts. On the 2.2 its on the underside of the manifold.




CRAP I just saw why its goign to be an issue with the cable throttle body. Lookign ath teh drive by wire pictures a bobe the left side of teh throttle body both the origional and the bidder are double drilled. Both could fir on either manifold. The Alero stock TB is only drilled in the high position becuase of the IAC. The 2.4 manifold uses the lower bolt postion.

When I tested this I didnt need the adapter plate that crateenginedepot's kit has. This is one app that will need the adapter plate.

Note lower left of pic
http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/images/2.2xtc_large.jpg

[colonel6632]

wel i found you can buy just the adapter plates

http://www.crateenginedepot.com/store/Ecotec-22MMGF-Spacer-Plate-Kit-22Plate-P1820C137.aspx

but does anyone know how to make one?

and will our ecm be ok with the extra air or will the car go into limp mode?

[colonel6632]

blktrax... i'm sorry... but i'm mentally challanged i think... i dont understand what your talking about when you say the cable throttle bodies will have a problem.

i also found this link.
http://ionforums.net/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4987&start=20

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1252/99672881.jpg

and what i was thinking... where i circled in red... just cut a hole on the 2.4 manifold for the aic with a dremel. and put a little slit in the gasket...

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Colonel when you do this can you take some pictures and put together a "How To" for us? I didn't really find the little how to on the Saturn Ion and Ecotec forum not the greatest.

well i'm am going to look into this. i'm going to try to find a 2.4 manifold at a junk yard and buy it. few questions.

can i reuse the gaskets to make things cheaper?

and can someone explain to me more about the aic slot and where it is on our manifolds and what i would need to do to use it on the new one

buy new gaskets they are dirt cheap new.... here's a useful link to help you find the intake manifold at a junk yard http://www.autorecyclers.ca/members.shtml I believe SGI is the Saskatchewan site I did get a result from Manitoba when I searched AARDA the one price that did come up was $65 CDN

[Blktrax]

I don't want to repost pics those pics, ignore what you circled in red. Thats not the issue, that can be worked around or may be a non-issue alltogether.

What im talking about is the top 2 bolt holes that hold the throttle body to the manifold. The 2.2 the left bolt is offset higher, Where on the 2.4 the bolts are straight accross from each other. They are double drilled for either or installation. The alero cable TB, is only drilled in the higher offset position because of the IAC motor on the TB. Thats what i was saying about the need for and adapter plate. What i need to see is the underside of an alero TB and see what the IAC passage looks like. As long as opening isnt bigger than the gasket of the 2.4 manifold it should work, then only the issue of holding it on with 3 bolts, or making and adapter plate. The one for the cobalt wont work because it blocks off the IAC passage.

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v2648/93/50/730276927/n730276927_2819814_6748394.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y149/portugalfocus/SDC14361.jpg

[colonel6632]

ooooooohhhh! thanks Blktrax i see the problem now. sorry about that before, can't beliebe i missed it. i understand... pictures help me alot. lol we can only put 3 bolts to hold it down since the aic is in way of the 4th one. we need the adapter plate to hold it down in the 4th spot. and how bad would it be to hold it down with only 3 bolts? and theoretically one could just make a metal plate to hold it there, and then drill the 4th hole and tap it... correct?

and AbHeLlRaZor... if someone doesn't do this before me. i'll be sure to post pictures. i'm purchasing a 4-2-1 header so help bring the low end power back up from this swap. so i dont know what i'll try to do first... intakes that new are hard to find. i did a search on sgi and didn't find anything... i'll have to try a wrecker.

also... found this http://saskatoon.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-parts-accessories-cobalt-of-G5-parts-W0QQAdIdZ127799062

gonna try to contact him to see if it fits the right year

[Blktrax]

ooooooohhhh! thanks Blktrax i see the problem now. sorry about that before, can't beliebe i missed it. i understand... pictures help me alot. lol we can only put 3 bolts to hold it down since the aic is in way of the 4th one. we need the adapter plate to hold it down in the 4th spot. and how bad would it be to hold it down with only 3 bolts? and theoretically one could just make a metal plate to hold it there, and then drill the 4th hole and tap it... correct?


Basicly yes, 3 bolts is a bit of a gamble though. The thing is the Crateenginedepot adapter plate would physicaly fix the mounting problem using a countersunk tapered head screw on the 2.4 manifold and use the supplied bolt with the place for the top left hole. However in refrence to what you did circle in red in those pics, is the adapter plate is solid. A hole or holes would have to be cut in the plate to allow the IAC to function properly.

[colonel6632]

well hopefully i can find a 2.4 manifold this weekend... if anyone knows someone who wants to donate one for a good cause lol.

[colonel6632]

called around all my junkyards... no one even has cars that new

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

That's why I suggested SGI it's like the inventory for the junk yards.

[colonel6632]

ya... they didn't have one though. i checked online and went in person

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

did you call that guy on Kijiji?

[colonel6632]

no phone number to call :(

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

no phone number to call :(

how bout email, or anything along those lines?

[Blktrax]

http://www.car-part.com/

Junkyard search engine.

[colonel6632]

found another... they replied to an email... calling them later

[colonel6632]

nope... he's selling whole car... not just the parts... back to the search

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

you may have to bite the bullet and buy one from crate engine depot

[dhurst765]

check ebay

[heineck]

ive been searchin for one on ebay for over a year now, its nevar there

[Valley olds]

I found this. I dont know what GM parts direct means by this though.

GM Parts Direct: IMPORTANT: This alternate GM catalog site is provided as a convenience to GMPartsDirect.com shoppers. GMPartsDirect.com does not guarantee the accuracy of information provided within this alternate GM catalog site.

Maybe it means they could send the wrong intake manifold or something. I dont know.

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/catalog/frameset.cfm

2006 > pontiac > G6> fuel system> fuel induction> intake> intake manifold

[Vic28]

Just got my SPEC Stage 1 put on - Break In process now. Also the tranny mounts for 5-speed, somehow I had to modify the sleeve to lil bigger hole. It was suppose to be direct fit without issues...so idk. Forgot to mention, used AMSOIL Manual Synchromesh and what a difference. Really smooth that I even noticed while crusing, and rattles is gone.

[colonel6632]

i noticed some problems getting my transmission into first and sometime it doesnt seem so smooth...

[Cliff8928]

I found this. I dont know what GM parts direct means by this though.



Maybe it means they could send the wrong intake manifold or something. I dont know.

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/catalog/frameset.cfm

2006 > pontiac > G6> fuel system> fuel induction> intake> intake manifold

Basically that means that they are not liable for the accuracy of the online parts catalog and will not accept any returns on special orders.

The only way you can return it is if either it is in stock or you requested the part via their customer service department and they sent you the wrong part.

[Valley olds]

Cliff8928: Basically that means that they are not liable for the accuracy of the online parts catalog and will not accept any returns on special orders.

The only way you can return it is if either it is in stock or you requested the part via their customer service department and they sent you the wrong part.

oh. Thats not cool :( .

[colonel6632]

thats pretty lame... i think i'll keep trying to find a used one around here

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

thats pretty lame... i think i'll keep trying to find a used one around here

Someones bound to wreck there balt so keep on waiting

[colonel6632]

Someones bound to wreck there balt so keep on waiting

thats the plan :coolio:

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

thats the plan :coolio:

just hope some 16 year old kid gets one for there first car then wait will be shorter lol :lol:

[Vic28]

heres a link for those thinking 2.4 manifold swap
http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=2&i=434363&t=434363

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I'm going to hold off on doing a manifold swap right off the bat, I'm going to get a bunch of parts together then install them so I don't have to pay to get a tune everytime I install a new part that or get hp tuners and learn to tune my self but that could be tricky.

[AleroDrime]

i gotta ask about exhuast manifolds, its it ture u burn gaskets up with aftermarket ones, the guys at the local tire shop said id better play to replace them every three months or so

[heineck]

y would u ask sum1 at a tireshop shop about header gaskets? i blew a gaskets but it was cuz it was put on shitty, if u put it on right u shouldnt have any problems

[AleroDrime]

downhere in the boonies the tireshop is the muffler shop brake shop transmission and body shop

[heineck]

o ok if u put it on right theres no problems

[AleroDrime]

alright

[Vic28]

BUMP this thread..
something good is coming :yahoo:

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

BUMP this thead..
something good is coming :yahoo:

Your almost boosted, or are boosted?

[Vic28]

no, not boosted yet. With turbo stuff looks like is for next year. With something else coming, looks like should be this year.:rolleyes2:

[colonel6632]

a new intake manifold with a tune?

[Vic28]

a new intake manifold with a tune?
buy my manifold.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

internals? head work? HPT? Darton Sleeves? don't keep us in the dark too long man lol

[Vic28]

shit lol... in my sentence im still talkin about boost. but different kind :p
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/R3NEG4DE/Car/IMG_0046.jpg

[NickAlero2000]

shit lol... in my sentence im still talkin about boost. but different kind :p
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/R3NEG4DE/Car/IMG_0046.jpg

NITROUS?!?!????

[Vic28]

internals? head work? HPT? Darton Sleeves? don't keep us in the dark too long man lol
I already have HPT ;)

[NickAlero2000]

I already have HPT ;)

NITROUS?!?!????

[Vic28]

NITROUS?!?!????
I dont really like bottles.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Where did you score that?

[NickAlero2000]

I dont really like bottles.

Hmmmm....what else can you do and have boost without a turbo...?
Supercharger? Or vacuum cleaner on the end of the intake piping :lol:

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Hmmmm....what else can you do and have boost without a turbo...?
Supercharger? Or vacuum cleaner on the end of the intake piping :lol:

it's leaf blower not Vacuum lol :lol:

[Vic28]

Hmmmm....what else can you do and have boost without a turbo...?
Supercharger? Or vacuum cleaner on the end of the intake piping :lol:
are u in School that dont let you see pictures?? or my picture not showing at all.

[heineck]

there showing, sweet setup how much u drop on that?

[Vic28]

there showing, sweet setup how much u drop on that?
I guess I couldnt let it go by. I have parts for my turbo, which I showed already in this thread... Now the S/C, getting shipped out tonight. $1150 shipped. So new plans are too get this install and running withing this year since its easier for me.

[NickAlero2000]

are u in School that dont let you see pictures?? or my picture not showing at all.

You edited it after I said Nitrous :lol:

It didn't show the s/c pics when I said it :lol:


But Cool! Can't wait to see it at the track :D

[Vic28]

You edited it after I said Nitrous :lol:

It didn't show the s/c pics when I said it :lol:
I guess I was editing while you were typing and didnt catch it... but you said NITROUS twice, second time when I had the picture... stop skimming and look back lol

[NickAlero2000]

I guess I was editing while you were typing and didnt catch it... but you said NITROUS twice, second time when I had the picture... stop skimming and look back lol

I'm not a skimmer!!!! :lol:
Its like when I read a book, I usually don't look back for edits :lol:

[NickAlero2000]

I guess I was editing while you were typing and didnt catch it... but you said NITROUS twice, second time when I had the picture... stop skimming and look back lol

Plus look at my post times and then your edit time :p
Then maybe my psychotic logic will make sense :ninja:

[Vic28]

I re-edit to make sure my pic was showing.. lol thats why time was off.. anwyayz

Im gonna need header... which one bolt on, I know TSUDO those, those pacesetter also are bolt on??

[NickAlero2000]

I re-edit to make sure my pic was showing.. lol thats why time was off.. anwyayz

Im gonna need header... which one bolt on, I know TSUDO those, those pacesetter also are bolt on??

Yessss, they are bolt on :)

[jrim]

Nice SC kit, I want to see time slips soon:D

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I smell twin charging in the future

[colonel6632]

buy my manifold.

pm me with a price and shipping to canada... and i'll let you know when it's in my price range... i just quit my job and moving to a new town 5 hours away.

also... thats a pretty sweet setup... please post picts of the install!

[Vic28]

I smell twin charging in the future
well that wasnt my intentions lol..I do like turbo better, but I dont hate on Supercharger. Maybe it turns into a twin like you said if I build it later on..Or I would slap it on my other boat and have both ;)

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

twin charge it man, no one would expect an Alero to be twin charged let alone boosted at all.

[Merlyn]

Sorry to bring this back, but I've got a guy up here selling a supercharger from a Saturn redline for 800$, and I need to know if it will fit / work / blow my engine up. Cuz I'm seriously considering buying this.

"WAS INSTALLED ON A 2006 COBALT SS SUPERCHARGED.REASON FOR SELLING LEASE ENDED THIS WEEK.
INFO:Stage 2 Performance Upgrade Kit, Cobalt SS/ION Redline 2.0L
For '05–'06 Saturn ION Redline and Chevrolet Cobalt SS only. "

Any ideas? If I can get definite info on install, and fabrications, I'm probably going to do this.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

yes it works it bolts up perfectly, you just need to tune it and have the gm ecotec build book as a guide. Edit: you'll also need some sort of throttle body adapter plate. come over to Ecotecforum.com tell them that ABHELLRAZOR sent you and tell them what you plan on doing and they'll help you out as much as possible.

[Merlyn]

What about the tuning? any other way than HP tuners?
And stock internals are ok?

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

stock internals are fine, Hp tuners is pretty much your only choice for tuning.

[Merlyn]

I'm trying to get it for 500$, we'll see what the guy says...
Think I could get my money back it it doesn't work out?

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

good luck I've been searching high and low out here for one, but I can't seem to find any. for tuning you might be able to get a tuner shop to tune it for you using there's but you won't be able to data log. I know a shop out here does tuning for around $80 with there own tuner.

[Merlyn]

I'd just worry about causing damage if I were to do it myself.
I just posted on Eco forum for info, hopefully something pops up there.
If I buy it it doesn't work, I'd be happy to sell it to you

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I'm also on EF search around that site I've seen threads on there about the swap.

[Merlyn]

he doesn't want to sell it to me, says it wont fit now...jerk

[heineck]

lame, just turbo, their alot easier to find than the SC kits.

[Merlyn]

It's a daily driver, and sc's have less moving parts and issues...

[Vic28]

BUMP
http://paceperformance.com/paceperformance/pdf/superchargermanual.pdf

[Fenderxcore]

Sorry I'm inbetween work shifts so I don't have time to read the whole thread but I'm just wondering if I should change anything internally in the engine if I wanted to swap in the street application comp cam:

http://www.compperformancegroupstores.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CC&Product_Code=113200&Category_Code=CHEV464CAM20

Thank you

[Fenderxcore]

bump...

[colonel6632]

couldnt tell you man... hopefully someone comes alone for you

[Fenderxcore]

couldnt tell you man... hopefully someone comes alone for you

Thanks dude...Cuz I'm ready to buy ha

[heineck]

u gunna keep it N/A?

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

get the head rebuilt, ported, and polished... internals will be fine I personally think it's pointless to get after markets cams with out doing other stuff to the valvetrain.

[Fenderxcore]

Yeah stayin N/A (for a while at least)...so just do work on the head an ill be all set?...the car only has 40,000 miles on it so when you say rebuild u mean?

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

never hurts to have stronger parts stainless valves, stiffer valvesprings, titanium retainers, are some suggestions it might be a bit expensive, as far as I know the GM Racing parts are pretty pricey I'm sure you can get away with out it but to me it just seems like a good idea.

[Fenderxcore]

Aight man thanks a lot...I'll try an price it out

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

are you going to be installing them yourself?

[Fenderxcore]

Yeah I'll be doing it at my school...Why whats up?

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

get the ecotec cam tool in that case. I think summit sells them just search parts for Cavalier they'll pop up. but be warned installing Cams is alot harder than it sounds... heres a how to http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9311&highlight=camshaft

[Fenderxcore]

Awesome man thanks a lot...I just gotta ask if the high performance lab will let me tune them

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

whats high performance lab?

[Fenderxcore]

Just a part of my school where they focus on turbos, superchargers, cams, NOS...etc

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Just a part of my school where they focus on turbos, superchargers, cams, NOS...etc

Thats awesome man I wish my high school had stuff like that, we would do 2 performance builds a year and it was only for peopole in grade 12 and we didn't get to see the engines in any cars just on test stands so it was a bummer. Is it a highschool or college?

[Fenderxcore]

It's a college...extra 5 g's if i wanna take the high performance course tho

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

It's a college...extra 5 g's if i wanna take the high performance course tho
Thats pretty sweet I must say though.

[Vic28]

:yahoo:

[colonel6632]

you did it didn't you vic! lets see that supercharger!

[heineck]

no way!!! pics

[Vic28]

will get into more details later.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gilDWv18bLI

[heineck]

private vid

[Nate's Alero]

private vid

X2, FIX IT NOW

[Vic28]

working now??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gilDWv18bLI

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

you dirtbag LOL :lol: freaking awesome props, big props. did you tune it yet?

[Vic28]

Believe it or not its running with the cavy reflash.. Everything working fine so far. You can see the fuel gauge is not working with it tho. I picked up the pcm for the same or less than what I would had to pay to get it tow to the tuner. So basicly I needed something to run the car, test my installation and what not. You can hear a small vaccuum leak in the video, where the POS T/B adapter is at..and the map sensor that broke lol, idle still fine. Once I get everything on the car ill do a real tune.

Ohh and thanks ...first eco boosted alero:p

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

so you just swapped pcm's or did you get your pcm reflashed with the cavy one?
you need to hit a dyno so we can all se the #'s

[Cliff8928]

Looks good... Now just hook up the intercooler.

[Vic28]

so you just swapped pcm's or did you get your pcm reflashed with the cavy one?
you need to hit a dyno so we can all se the #'s
I just swapped it from a cavy ECO that had the reflash already. And yes Dyno and tune comes in the future, so step by step lol. To do list:
Fix small vaccuum leak.
Do something about the battery (use smaller one or back to the trunk).
Throw the Header on and custom exhaust.
Mount the aftercooler in, and make a CAI for it.
and almost forgot, put in rear tranny mount and OIL change.

Whats a good decent Boost gauge?? Can get AEM to match the wideband, but thinking twice for the price right now.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

check Glow Shift and you should do methanol injection...

[Cliff8928]

don't really have to do meth on that one. There's an intercooler core built into the manifold.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

true, but if you can have cooler IAT's I don't see any reason not to have it, that and it gives you an octane boost depending on your mixture.

[dhurst765]

does anyone know if u can put a turbo on an automatic

[heineck]

uhh yea.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

you can turbo most anything now days.... with that being said the hardest part will be running charge pipes, and that's not too hard to figure out.

[Merlyn]

Where did you get that sc....?

[Vic28]

Where did you get that sc....?
Supercharger comes from a cobalt, which im sure its been mentioned in the forum before.
If you looking for one, check the j-body.org classified(selling) sections in the forum. I already know you dont need to tune the car right away if you have a PCM that has the GM reflash for the cavy.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

The 2.0L LSJ is just a destroked 2.2 L61 if you want I can post a link for all the parts with p/n's and install intructions...
Vic did you use the LSJ injectors or did you get aftermarket ones for the L61 that allow more fuel flow?

[heineck]

i was wondering about that also, if he used LSJ injectors, i was thinking about doin that for my turbo

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

I know the lsj injectors work with our engine but they are a little long

[Vic28]

I know the lsj injectors work with our engine but they are a little long
I am using lsj injectors... thats what the reflash is tune for so thats why. And they are not longer tho, almost positive they the same, ill take some pics of both, I have an extra set lol.

[Vic28]

i was wondering about that also, if he used LSJ injectors, i was thinking about doin that for my turbo
Im sure you can use it for the turbo. Shit theres ppl doing GM reflash with a saab turbo kit as well.

[Vic28]

Where did you get that sc....?

Actually theres one selling right now from canada too soo
http://www.j-body.org/classifieds/engine/55437/

[Merlyn]

Figured as much, just wanted to make sure, and yeah, a parts list would be awesome, I'd like to make this happen in the next year. ( After the 50 " LCD TV )....

[Vic28]

Heres a picture of stock and LSJ injectors(same size):
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/R3NEG4DE/Car/Picture125.jpg

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

and yeah, a parts list would be awesome
I'll dig up a link and post it....
Heres a picture of stock and LSJ injectors(same size):
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/R3NEG4DE/Car/Picture125.jpg

Huh, go figure. :lol:

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Heres the links

Install manual includes parts list with PN's
http://paceperformance.com/paceperformance/pdf/superchargermanual.pdf

some useful info here
http://www.gmscf.com/showthread.php?t=2052

[heineck]

Heres a picture of stock and LSJ injectors(same size):
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d155/R3NEG4DE/Car/Picture125.jpg


hell yea

[Vic28]

Remember they use longer ones for the 03-05 rail in j-bodies. The ones that are using LSJ injectors use 02 fuel rail. But somehow I think n-bodies have the same 02 rail through out the years, atleast my 05 grand am engine has the same fuel rail, and from what I seen on pictures.

And Merlyn if you are able to, I hope you can do it ;).

[Merlyn]

Shouldn't be big trouble, I've got nothing better to spend my money on. As soon as I see a smashed up SS Cobalt, I'm going hood diving.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

If you can't find an s/c you can always go the Turbo route they'll cost pretty much the same, when all is said and done.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Now to breath life back into this thread.... http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12708 now you don't have to do a powersteering delete to mod your ignition. just get some MSD or Accel coils and wires and away you go.

[Malibu369258]

Now to breath life back into this thread.... http://www.ecotecforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12708 now you don't have to do a powersteering delete to mod your ignition. just get some MSD or Accel coils and wires and away you go.

That's good stuff right there, I'm searching on the Eco forum a lot and like what I see.

I'm getting a HPS SRI next pay period, and start work on my 2.5" cat-back, hopefully a Pacesetter header by Summer. A B&M short throw should makes itself my way soon too. I'm still questioning the 2.4 manifold swap.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

get a wideband a/f gauge and Hp tuners and learn to tune before you get too ahead of yourself, if you want to get the most out of your engine you'll need Hp Tuners.

[Malibu369258]

get a wideband a/f gauge and Hp tuners and learn to tune before you get too ahead of yourself, if you want to get the most out of your engine you'll need Hp Tuners.

Don't worry lol. Seriously though, I'm not looking into tuning until the big stuff.

As for A/F ratio, I would like to get it setup with my Interceptor gauge.

[Vic28]

Anyone else have plans for their ECOs???

[heineck]

Nuthin new lately lol

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

we'll see, I want to finish off my Exhaust header back maybe, I'll ditch the 2.25" and get 2.5" with Cat-delete put a resonator in there instead and get a wide band gauge... just need a job first. I've been juggling a few other Ideas (major ones) around, but there mostly based upon having a job or not.

[Malibu369258]

My problem isn't money, it's just having enough time to do what I want. Nothing but school and work all the time.

[colonel6632]

my problem is money. ran my tranny out of oil, not it makes a growling noise. gonna be an expensive replacement. but i do have a header. just need the rest of the exhaust

[Malibu369258]

my problem is money. ran my tranny out of oil, not it makes a growling noise. gonna be an expensive replacement. but i do have a header. just need the rest of the exhaust

that sucks...

what kind of header do you have?

[Vic28]

How did you ran the tranny without fluid... how it leaked?

[colonel6632]

i have a tsuduo header purchased off a member on here. it's pretty known for being a terrible header, but i'm going to give it a try.

and the tranny leak.
the passanger axle seal started leaking, and since out trannys don't have dipsticks, or no way to check how much fluid is in it other than draining the tranny, i just waited till i replaced the seal. well it was empty. so i fixed the seal and filled her up. took her on a 1400km round trip. about 200km into the trip the drivers seal started leaking. couldn't fix it till i got home. so she ran almost empty that time.

i think the noise is the bearings right by the axle. i doubt i can replace them without removing the tranny.

how hard is it to install new tranny and such. i guess the motor and all has to come out

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

oh by major idea's I mean trading the car in and getting a different vehicle that just happens to be powered by an LNF :D

[Vic28]

oh by major idea's I mean trading the car in and getting a different vehicle that just happens to be powered by an LNF :D
haha I been thinking that myself, but also trying to stay away from payment for now.
http://www.youtube.com/user/black06g85#p/u/8/4OUonDFEbQw:rolleyes2:

If not im making my ho turbo whenever I get to live in a House with a garage

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Yup, you can get stupid gains with just a good tune with the LNF.

[Malibu369258]

There's a M62 Supercharger and other parts off of a '06 Cobalt SS for sale over on jbody, just thought I'd post it up, haven't seen one in the classifieds for awhile.

http://www.j-body.org/classifieds/engine/56170/

http://i477.photobucket.com/albums/rr137/mackey1290/Supercharger.png

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

Thats a Banging good deal, I want someone with an alero to get it even if it isn't myself.

[Weazel]

If it's all in working order, God damn that's a sick deal!

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

My guess is someone decided to Turbo there LSJ, and they're selling of the supercharger for extra funds. all that would be needed to get it to work is a TB adapter plate, hardware, coolant for h/e and a tune or reflashed Cavalier PCM like Vic28 used... anything I missed Vic should be able to fill in.

[Malibu369258]

I would jump on it, but I'm not quite ready yet, I'm still researching other things.

[Vic28]

Thats a fkn steal price. I have injectors for that thing... someone step up. If my bros car would of been in good shape bodywise that would of been on the automatic. Thats 300 cheaper than what I got mine.

Maybe some 1/4mile numbers would motivate some other owners.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

If I had the extra cash to order it, buy Hp tuners, buy a wideband, and pay a friend tune it for me, I'd be all over it.

[colonel6632]

i'm not looking for alot of power out of my 2.2 right now. i plan on installing my header, 2.5" exhuast and cut the car, have a resonator in it's spot, and a magnaflow camaro muffler. the one in two out that mounts in the middle of the back bumper. i can post links.

get a wai, and do the 2.4 intake manifold swap. get a wideband o2 gauge, and get it tuned. after all that i'd hope to put 160-170hp to the wheels. right now i only have about 145 to the wheels.

[heineck]

how ya gettin 145 to the wheels when the ecos rated at 140 at the crank

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

^You've had your car dynoed? EDIT: Dangit Heineck I was going to comment on that.

[heineck]

muahahaha

[colonel6632]

not dynoed. i used that ipod touch app that supposedly dynos your car. i did it for about a half hour and came up with the same thing. so i dont know for sure it's 145hp.

and i have a new ecotec. so maybe it has a little more power

[Fenderxcore]

not dynoed. i used that ipod touch app that supposedly dynos your car. i did it for about a half hour and came up with the same thing. so i dont know for sure it's 145hp.

and i have a new ecotec. so maybe it has a little more power

You did an engine swap?

[Malibu369258]

You did an engine swap?


I think his first motor went to sh!t, my Alero's original motor gave around 50,000 because a valve dropped into one of the cylinders. So I have an Alero that has 100,000 miles on the body, and only 50,000 on the motor.:coolio:

I will get a dyno this month or next, since my car is stock at the moment anyways, then another after a few mods.

[colonel6632]

i'd like to see a stock motor dyno. give us a good idea what we start at.

and you are correct malibu, my first motor blew up... burnt all the oil that she holds in 2 weeks. about 4900km. gm swapped a new motor in for me.

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

around 130-135-ish to the wheels I'm guessing, don't quote me on that.

[Malibu369258]

Has anyone tried out one of the direct replacement headers offered from some companies? These basically replace the stock manifold, 4-1 design, that bolt on directly to the stock downpipe. Sure the stock downpipe is restrictive, but I've heard good things on some cobalt forums about similar ones. Like this one...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ecotec-2-2L-Header-Cobalt-HHR-ION-Pursuit-G5_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem2305550cb4QQitemZ150 413315252QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAcces sories

[AbHeLlRaZoR]

just get a Pacesetter header for the CobaltSS LSJ (supercharged) and use that, it will bolt up to the engine has larger primaries and will actually cost less than the header posted in the Ebay link.