Brake Upgrade Parts List

[colonel6632]

hey guys, my brakes are failing all around (my car doesn't stop, the brake line in the rear has a hole in it, and my front caliper is leaking)

anyways. i'm upgrading all the brakes and everything. i'll tell you what i want/ordering, and you correct me before i actually order it.

Big Brake Kit from MPRacing
http://www.mpracing.org/store/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=370

*** will i be ok with the ceramic or should i opt out for the carbon metallic?***

Drilled And Slotted Rotors
http://cgi.ebay.ca/XS-CROSS-DRILLED-SLOTTED-FRONT-SET-BRAKE-DISC-ROTORS-/380319331266?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories &fits=Model%3AImpala|Year%3A2002&hash=item588ccc73c2

Stainless Steel Brake Lines
http://cgi.ebay.ca/G-Stop-Brake-Line-Kit-PONTIAC-GRAND-AM-1999-00-12278-/8024681213?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1de4eeafd

anyone know where i can get bigger calipers for the rear while im at it?

what have i forgotten or missed

[Redog]

Go to Rockauto.com

Front

98-02 Camaro calipers "semi-loaded" with brackets
00-05 Impala slotted and cross drilled rotors

Around $300

Rear

2005 Pontaic Grand Prix GXP calipers "loaded" with pads and brackets
2005 Pontaic Grand Prix GXP cross drilled rotors

Around $250

Granted I opted to go with ceramic pads all around. A lot less dust!!

Jammed my brakes twice so far. Once for fun and testing and my eyes fell out, the second a panic stop to not run a red light at 65 MPH (highway) and stopped 50 feet short of the intersection when stock would have put me thru the light

[colonel6632]

life saver redog. i'll do what you say.

i dont need bracket bushings for the calipers or anything. just basically order whats on your list?

thoughts on the brake lines?

[Cliff8928]

Everything bolts up like a regular brake change...

Also, it doesn't make a difference if you order rotors for an Impala or a Camaro. They're the same part number.

[Redog]

The rear brackets take a little bit of hammer to fit between the backing plate and the dust shelid, but it fits

[jhubbz]

I'm gonna go ahead and throw this out there, but if I do just the fronts, I would need to buy new pads that fit the camaro calipers... correct?

[G.I.Ceo]

Don't you also need a rim that is 17" or bigger for this upgrade to work?

[strtrydr]

IIRC ... The figue is rotor size plus 4" ... so this swap (12" rotors) should fit under most 16" wheels.

[XanderWiFi]

Hopefully this isn't a dumb question: but do you have rear drum brakes or the rotors?

[Greencoupe2.2]

It looks like your car has 15's so I think your going to have to get new wheels to do the front brake upgrade. (someone correct me if Im wrong)

[jhubbz]

I've got 16" so hopefully I'm good

[Cliff8928]

16" wheels should be good for the F-Body calipers.

[Redog]

I haven't tried my 16 inch stockers on there yet, but I know for a fact you will need a new spare tire. the 15 inch compact spare will not fit this set-up. I've seen Alero stock 16's on this set up. Also 16 inch "skinny spoke" Grand Prix rims fit well too

You can convert drums to rotors, but IDK how. I've never done it

[tw0123]

Go to Rockauto.com

Front

98-02 Camaro calipers "semi-loaded" with brackets
00-05 Impala slotted and cross drilled rotors

Around $300

Rear

2005 Pontaic Grand Prix GXP calipers "loaded" with pads and brackets
2005 Pontaic Grand Prix GXP cross drilled rotors

Around $250


I was talking with my neighbour, who is a GM mechanic, and he was saying I could just use the GXP set up for both front and rear... what is the difference between using the front's and the Camaro/Impala combo?

[Cliff8928]

The GXP uses a 13" rotor so that pushes your minimum wheel size to 17". There is a bracket setup being made to use the C5/C6 corvette parts. It's a 12.98" directional rotor.

[02AleroGLS]

I keep reading where everyone is doing f body front brakes,but im wondering if the v6 base model,v6 RS,and Z28,and the SS all have the same size of brakes!?!? Im kinda lost on this. I get a big hookup on car parts at our local NAPA due to being good friends with the manager lol!! Someone please let me know.. I'm very interested in doing that upgrade.. Thanks in advance!!

[Cliff8928]

They're all the same... Just need to be 98-02

[02AleroGLS]

Alrright! I appreciate it. I just wanted to make sure

[Nas Escobar]

I'm gonna go ahead and throw this out there, but if I do just the fronts, I would need to buy new pads that fit the camaro calipers... correct?

That's right, if you have Camaro calipers you need Camaro pads. Of course, you can also use the Corvette stuff from the same time frame... I believe it's C5. They bolt right on, but you're also guaranteeing that you'll need 17" wheels since the Corvette calipers have cooling fins on them.

You can convert drums to rotors, but IDK how. I've never done it

I have a write up on here if anyone is interested in converting their rear drums to disc. It's not complicated, just somewhat annoying.

[Cliff8928]

The cooling fins on the Corvette/GTO/XLR calipers just extend further on the caliper. Either way, the C5 and C6 as well as the GTO and XLR calipers will fit.

[Nas Escobar]

I know, but I've always been told that the caliper won't clear 16 inch rims. They say the Camaro ones are a tight fit as is.

[02AleroGLS]

I know this is kind of an old post but im wanting to do the gxp brake conv onthe rear of my car since them brakes suck on my car and i know you can use th estock callipers,pads and rotors but what about that bracket that the calliper bolts to to bolt it to the hub?? Do i use the alero one or the gxp one???

[Redog]

^^ Well do you have disc or drums currently.

A disc swap is straight forward. Take the old ones off, put the new ones on. If you have 16 inch wheels, no wheel change is necessary for Camaro/Impala fronts, GXP rear. The GXP, Corvette, XLR set-up require 17 inch wheels. No matter what, you need a 16 inch spare from a 00-05 Impala

The only issue I had with this swap was the rears had to be tapped into place with a hammer. Just tapped, not wacked in like your beating the shit out of somebody you hate more than anything, or Justin Bieber. Like I said earlier, the backing plate makes it a tight fit and after being on my car since 2011, the backing plate will still go back to it's old ways when I remove the bracket.

The only thing I find a challenge is pushing both pistons in at the same time with my C clamp. It can be done, thanks to a swivel head on the clamp.

I had to put the banjo bolts on the rear upside down to fit. No leaks. Just be sure to use the crush washers you get with the calipers and remove the old ones ;)

[zzyzzx]

Call me silly, but IMO the OE 4 wheel discs stop great, and I can't imagine why anyone would feel the need to upgrade.

[Starglow]

Call me silly, but IMO the OE 4 wheel discs stop great, and I can't imagine why anyone would feel the need to upgrade.

Not all N body cars came stock with 4-wheel disc brakes as many like my '99 GA has/had drum brakes on the rear. The front single piston calipers are also noisy and creak a lot when stopping. Upgrading to larger dual piston front calipers and rear disc brakes gives you much better stopping power without the creaky noise.....win-win. :coolio:

[Redog]

My front calipers always creaked.

Stock brakes did work fine on my car, but why not upgrade?

[tw0123]

To jump on this debate... upgraded motor, upgraded suspension, upgraded size of wheels and tires... where now is the failing point of the car yet one if the most crucial??? The braking system... so it gets upgraded as well... bigger wheels and tires alone are reason enough to upgrade ... more rolling mass and larger centrifical forces will burn through stock brakes fast! I learned that the hard way... put on my chrome 20's and had to replace my pads after 300km... and i don't use my brakes much... i read traffic and let off and coast to avoid braking...

[Redog]

I was going thru brakes a little bit faster than normal. Car was running the the mid 14's and jamming on the brakes at the line to not break out. I'd need new brakes every 18,000 miles instead of 24,000 like I was getting

Not enough to get upset about, but still the dual piston set-up looks cool as well :awesome:

[cavedewler]

do any of you run ceramics with drilled & slotted rotors in the winter?

[02AleroGLS]

I have 4 wheel disc brakes...
^^ Well do you have disc or drums currently.

A disc swap is straight forward. Take the old ones off, put the new ones on. If you have 16 inch wheels, no wheel change is necessary for Camaro/Impala fronts, GXP rear. The GXP, Corvette, XLR set-up require 17 inch wheels. No matter what, you need a 16 inch spare from a 00-05 Impala

The only issue I had with this swap was the rears had to be tapped into place with a hammer. Just tapped, not wacked in like your beating the shit out of somebody you hate more than anything, or Justin Bieber. Like I said earlier, the backing plate makes it a tight fit and after being on my car since 2011, the backing plate will still go back to it's old ways when I remove the bracket.

The only thing I find a challenge is pushing both pistons in at the same time with my C clamp. It can be done, thanks to a swivel head on the clamp.

I had to put the banjo bolts on the rear upside down to fit. No leaks. Just be sure to use the crush washers you get with the calipers and remove the old ones ;)

[02AleroGLS]

Yeah my front brakes creak sometimes too..
My front calipers always creaked.

Stock brakes did work fine on my car, but why not upgrade? my

[tw0123]

Finally getting around to actually installing these and running into some issues...

I bought the camaro calipers used and just noticed they didn't come with the banjo bolts and the ones that came with the braided lines don't fit.... anyone know what the thread pitch is and a part number to get one at the dealer? Also it looks like the braided lines will rub on the axle which is worrying me a bit.... anyone else notice this?
Thanks for the help!

[unchained01]

I am pretty sure its 10mm x 1.5 Maybe some one can chime in here
I am sure Matt had SS lines also

[ls1z28]

Does anyone have a list of the part numbers?

[sleepyalero]

No need for part numbers really.

If doing the fbody swap.


04 impala rotors, 01 camaro pads and calipers. Simple.

[ls1z28]

what about the rear brakes?

[sleepyalero]

Rear brakes you can only use 05 grand prix GXP brakes. They are expensive and not the easiest to come by because of such a scarce amount of GXP grand prixs out there.

[Nas Escobar]

Rear brakes you can only use 05 grand prix GXP brakes. They are expensive and not the easiest to come by because of such a scarce amount of GXP grand prixs out there.

I've read on the GAGT forum that the rear C5 Corvette brakes are very similar to the GXP brakes and will bolt on to the GA. That could be another avenue to try. I assume you'll need the bracket for them though.

[mfuller]

I've read on the GAGT forum that the rear C5 Corvette brakes are very similar to the GXP brakes and will bolt on to the GA. That could be another avenue to try. I assume you'll need the bracket for them though.
Yes, that's true. I have run them for several years.
You use the GP GXP bracket and pads, but a Corvette caliper.
You will need to slightly enlarge the mounting holes on the Corvette caliper.

[sleepyalero]

Hmmm interesting... but you can run full gxp brakes too right?

[Redog]

Yes, that's what I'm running in the rear.

Front is 98-02 Camaro Capliers with brackets
00-05 Impala Rotors.

It's only been posted a few times in this thread, so hey, why not post it again :rolleyes2:

You can get everything from Rockauto.com. That's where I got mine :D

It's good to know about he Corvette rear set-up. Might change it out if the parts become hard to come by in the future.

You can use Corvette Calipers in the front, but it's hard to find a set that comes with the bracket. Camaro guys swap for Vetter calipers all the time. The Vette Caliper has 22% more clamping force

[Starglow]

Rear brakes you can only use 05 grand prix GXP brakes. They are expensive and not the easiest to come by because of such a scarce amount of GXP grand prixs out there.

You can use GXP parts, but you don't have to....I put Alero rear disc brakes on my GA.

[Redog]

Personally this mod is worth the money.

[aleros_eat_rice]

I was considering a brake upgrade, getting it piece by piece. I could get the parts for the F body conversion (front) from rockauto for around $250 or so. I could also get the F body front kit from MMS for like $300, which takes out all of the guessing. With rockauto, I could get parts individually, though, and not spend all of that at once.

As for the rears, just to be sure, the 05 GP GXP is the one with the 5.3 V8, correct? I'm not all that familiar with the GP. Edit: looked it up.

It seems the rotors are close as well, the parking brake shoe is the same p/n for the 99 GLS as the 05 GXP. However, the bolt pattern of the rotor is different. The GLS pattern is 5x4.65", but the GXP pattern is 5x4.53". Going metric, they are 118mm GLS, 114.98mm GXP. That being a difference of 3.02mm, which if you go by radius, is halved (I guess is what I'm trying to say). Meaning an overall difference of 1.51mm.

The question being, with this difference, are the rotors compatible or no?

[Starglow]

Reading this thread may help answer a lot of your questions.

http://www.grandamgt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=89228&highlight=gxp+rear+brakes

[aleros_eat_rice]

That actually answered all of them, thanks.

If they're using GXP rotors on the GA, I can use them on the Alero.
Edit: looked up prices.

For the GXP rear upgrade, including brackets and pads as well as rotors, from rockauto for just under $300 including shipping.

[cavedewler]

I have the corvette brakes that I got off of Sleepyalero what size wheels do I need?

[sleepyalero]

17" or bigger. Cant be reverse mount wheels either.

[cavedewler]

Damm, I need some 17's then...

[sleepyalero]

Yup. ;)

[aleros_eat_rice]

I was looking at parts on rockauto, and it appears the bolt pattern for Camaro rear discs is the same for the Alero stock rear discs. They are also the same 12.01" as the GXP rear discs. The difference is in the size of the parking brake shoe. The 02 Camaro has a 190x22.5 shoe, the Alero and GXP have a 170x22.6 shoe.

[Garfield]

Interesting, what about calipers/brackets? Any chance the Camaro calipers/brackets could be used with the GXP rotors? (Since I suspect it would be easier to source the Camaro parts.)

[S8track16]

Would these work as well? http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=4491084&cc=1361450

Along with these rotors: Part # AR8255XPR

[aleros_eat_rice]

Next weekend I'm going to the junkyard to check it out. If the Camaro brackets and calipers will fit, we may be onto something.

[Starglow]

Next weekend I'm going to the junkyard to check it out. If the Camaro brackets and calipers will fit, we may be onto something.

I know the front ones will fit because that's what I have on my GA, but not sure about the rears. I also converted the rear from drum brakes to Alero disc brakes which work fine.

[aleros_eat_rice]

According to rockauto they're different part numbers. The 02 Camaro rear bracket is pn 14-1121.
For the 99 Alero it's 14-1155. That doesn't mean they won't fit, but I'll know for sure at the junkyard.

[dowens1233]

Will the brake lines off the Camaro work also?

[Garfield]

Go to Rockauto.com

Front

98-02 Camaro calipers "semi-loaded" with brackets
00-05 Impala slotted and cross drilled rotors

Around $300


I'm curious why does everyone say to get the Impala rotors? From what I can tell the slotted/drilled rotors are the same for both vehicles. Wouldn't it just be easier to say: You just need to get the calipers/brakets/rotors/pads for a 2002 Camaro?

Or am I missing something?

[sleepyalero]

The rotors are the correct size for the upgraded caliper.

The impala rotors are 1" bigger then factory, which works well with the fbody brakes. If you ran stock rotors only half of the brake pad would seat on the rotor.

[Garfield]

The rotors are the correct size for the upgraded caliper.

The impala rotors are 1" bigger then factory, which works well with the fbody brakes. If you ran stock rotors only half of the brake pad would seat on the rotor.

So you are saying that the 2002 Impala rotors are 1" bigger than the 2002 Camaro rotors? If that is the case why do all the parts places list that the rotors for both vehicles are the same?

I understand that the factory Alero rotors are smaller...

[sleepyalero]

Oh no. Camaros have a 5x120 bolt pattern, the impala is 5x115 which is the correct size for the alero, the camaro rotors will not fit on the hub.

Along with the center bore, it matches the alero as the camaro rotors do not.

[Koots]

I'm curious why does everyone say to get the Impala rotors? From what I can tell the slotted/drilled rotors are the same for both vehicles.


Those rotors are probably drilled for both patterns, if it's an aftermarket performance rotor. It's not super common, but does happen with some high performance brake kits.

[Garfield]

Those rotors are probably drilled for both patterns, if it's an aftermarket performance rotor. It's not super common, but does happen with some high performance brake kits.

Yeah, I was looking at the POWER STOP AR8255XPR (http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=3959013&cc=1379965&jnid=513&jpid=23) rotors. Though the specs/pictures don't show anything about multiple bolt patterns.

Type Vented
Diameter (mm)303.00
Diameter (in)11.92
Height (mm)51.80
Height (in)2.04
Nominal Thickness (mm)32.30
Nominal Thickness (in)1.27
Minimum Thickness(mm)30.80
Minimum Thickness (in)1.21
Hub Hole Diameter(mm)70.70
Hub Hole Diameter (in)2.78
Stud / Stud Hole Size0.64
Studs 5
Bolt Circle (mm)115.00
Bolt Circle (in)4.53

[Garfield]

So I ended up ordering a "one-click" PowerStop brake kit, rotors/pads, for a 2002 Camaro and as far as I can tell the rotors will fit just fine. (I took a tire off and tested that they fit over the lug bolts and hub, so it should be good unless the hub gets larger past the existing rotor.) Though I won't know for sure until the end of next week when my mechanic gets around to install the parts. (And the other caliper has yet to arrive.)

[sleepyalero]

Good luck

[_HeC_]

98-02 F-body rotors on my swap
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/_HeC_/03%20GAGT/IMG_20150609_172803_hdr_zpsbboqkcfy.jpg

lots of people say they don't fit but EXACT same part number...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/_HeC_/rotors_zpsrz09gtfl.png (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/_HeC_/media/rotors_zpsrz09gtfl.png.html)

[sleepyalero]

Hmm interesting

[Koots]

Those look like some generous bolt holes, so my guess is it's drilled out to fit both. So I'm assuming they must both have the same hub diameter, if this does work out so well.

[Garfield]

So my Camaro brake upgrade, calipers/rotors/pads, got installed today with no problem. (Other than he mentioned that the left caliper was a pain to get positioned such that the anti-rattle clip/spring didn't rub, but the last person that worked on the brakes mentioned the same thing with stock Alero brakes.)

So it seems much easier to just order parts for a 99-02 Camaro and be done. (At least the aftermarket ones, maybe the actual GM rotors differ.)

[sleepyalero]

Thats weird. Because I know camaros bolt pattern is 5x120. If they matched our bolt pattern. There would be way better wheels for the car..

[Garfield]

I have to guess it is just of matter of how much slop you can have in the bolt holes for the rotors vs. the wheels. (But there is no more slop with these Camaro/Impala rotors than there were in the stock Alero rotors it had on.)

[sleepyalero]

Well.. So be it!

[_HeC_]

I found with my setup I needed to order a hardware kit for F-body and Corvette breaks to get the right combination of anti rattle clips but I'm assuming that's cause I'm running the C5 calipers with my setup

[Redog]

^^ Hope you have at least 17 inch wheels then. You cannot run 16 inch wheels with the Corvette Calipers. The Camaro Calipers are very close :eek:

[tw0123]

He had a set of stock rims on his ga and they clear!

[_HeC_]

^^ Hope you have at least 17 inch wheels then. You cannot run 16 inch wheels with the Corvette Calipers. The Camaro Calipers are very close :eek:

:coolio: extremely close but they clear
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/_HeC_/03%20GAGT/IMG_20150921_085942_hdr_edit_zps0l9i5ylz.jpg

I think these factory 16s are the ones that don't fit due to that plastic chrome cover thing
http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NjAwWDgwMA==/z/LhwAAOSwp5JWUu6j/$_35.JPG

[Redog]

Okay.

The GP wheels have a different offset. It was rumored that you needed those 16" wheels to clear the Camaro calipers too.

[mrmike]

The stock 16' GLS wheels fit and clear. I have 1995 Monte Carlo 16's on mine and those clear just fine as well. The only issue with clearance is those little raised heat dissipation fins on the top of the caliper, so if they rub or are just too close for comfort you can grind them down easily. I never had to, though.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/2011-12-31%2020.09.47.jpg
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w312/lethalSakura/2014-04-30%2013.51.15.jpg

[sleepyalero]

Mike long time no see!

[Koots]

I never paid attention to the wheels that came with my free car when I ordered brakes for it, they looked like boring aluminum 15's, but turned out to be 16's from a mid 90's Grand Prix and might have actually been able to clear the Camaro calipers and Impala rotors...

I'm sure the new stock stuff is better than worn out rusty brakes though. Once that stuff wears out, I'll replace them properly with all this info :D

[aleros_eat_rice]

Found another possibility for the front brake upgrade.

Over on the Blazer forum, I've read where some of the people there have the Corvette brake upgrade on the front of the S-10 Blazer. There's also someone there with an F body kit on the front. Since the Corvette brake upgrade is compatible with both the N body and the S-10 Blazer, that tells me that the Blazer and N body brakes are interchangeable. The advantage: two piston calipers. Just looked up prices, and for me to get a loaded setup including rotors including shipping, is just under $240. The vehicle I searched under was the 1999 Olds Bravada. The part numbers are the same for the Blazer, obviously.

[falloutboy]

Always important what kind of rim do you have to have for this, as I am still bound to my 15" OE wheels :(

[aleros_eat_rice]

My 99 Bravada has 15" wheels.

[AleroCzak]

I want to upgrade my brakes. Has anyone gone through with installing GP GXP front brakes? That is what I would be interested in doing.

[Papa Rad17]

I dont believe I saw it said for certain.
My question I never saw specifically answered.-
When using the Camaro set up 16" wheel MINIMUM? It would not clear my factory 15" wheels?- Can anyone say for certain?

[Young Gun]

I dont believe I saw it said for certain.
My question I never saw specifically answered.-
When using the Camaro set up 16" wheel MINIMUM? It would not clear my factory 15" wheels?- Can anyone say for certain?

For certain you will need 16" wheels. Firebirds and Camaro's that run 15's on the front are the small drag racing rims. Even then you need to make sure there will be clearance with the 16" wheels as some will not fit due to their bulky design.

[Redog]

I dont believe I saw it said for certain.
My question I never saw specifically answered.-
When using the Camaro set up 16" wheel MINIMUM? It would not clear my factory 15" wheels?- Can anyone say for certain?

It won't, even the stock 16" wheels are a close fit :coolio:

[Papa Rad17]

shoot. I'll have to see how things go then. If *cough* C2 *cough* hadn't wimped out and brought wheels to homecoming there would no question about this.
The camaro calipers are dual piston correct?

[dbral]

Did the F-body front brake swap using the Rock Auto parts described in this thread simply because i could not find Alero calipers/rotors/pads locally. Never thought i would see the day that the local parts stores would not have everything for the brakes on these cars in stock.

Couple of other things that i learned..

The F-body brakes fit under the stock 16in. spoked aluminum wheels.

Check the new caliper's mating surfaces for the crush washer closely. Both of ours were damaged. Had to return them for another pair.

The Alero banjo bolts are 10mm x 1.5 and the F-body's are 10mm x 1.0

You will have to bend the ABS sensor harness brackets away from the F-body rotors. On ours, it looked like there was enough clearance....but they would touch the rotors when the car was going around a hard turn.

[[ion] C2]

Good tips. My big brakes from the CTS-V are working well, but a tad unnecessary. Lots of weight, difficult to fit wheels, but definitely increased heat capacity which is good for safety.

[dbral]

Extra heat capacity is a benefit that did not cross my mind. Was only thinking of parts availability and maybe a little more life expectancy from the larger pads/rotors. The swap did not really change the way the car stops that i can tell. Maybe a little less pedal effort is required. Still the same size and style of tires as stock so i guess it would activate the ABS and panic stop in the same fashion as the factory ones did? This is the first time i have ever did this to a vehicle so i did not know what to expect but it seems to have not made a change to the braking when driving it normally.

Going to the extreme like you did with better/wider tires and CTS-V brakes did you notice a big difference? Did you keep your stock master cylinder?

[[ion] C2]

No difference. Stock master cylinder was fine for the piston size.

If your car can lock the brakes and engage ABS before the upgrade, the only thing a big brake kit does is increase your overheating safety margin and likely reduce wear due to larger components.

I watched a ton of very informative videos on the topic, and they compared econobox braking versus supercar braking etc. and they both stopped in the same distance. The difference was the supercar one can go hard on track days and mountain roads without fading.

[dbral]

Yep, all of that makes sense now. It's weird how intuition works though. Part of me was thinking that the larger brakes would make a noticeable difference with the braking and when they didn't i was honestly disappointed with that side of things lol. Never looked into the actual science and testing behind it though. Extra heat capacity is def. a good thing and ran DOT 4 through the whole system as well so maybe that will help if the car is ever in a situation where the brakes have to take some abuse.