Gm S/c

[ptrudel]

GM S/C part #12498660
manual tranny calibration # is 88961331, auto is 88961332

[Oldsman]

the reflash will cost you an extra $80-$100 for the dealer to do it.

So total cost for the whole setup is under $2500 if you install it.

[Fast Eddie]

links to the kit from PACE performance (http://www.paceparts.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=237)

and GM performance (http://www.gmgoodwrench.com/perfpartsjsp/partlist.jsp?cat=9455&section=pp)

[Final-Reality]

You should mention that this will only work on the '00 and up 2.4L equipped Aleros. The '99 won't work with it properly; the starter is bigger and gets in the way of the supercharger, some have an EGR valve that the newer years don't have and the PCM is different meaning the flash won't work on it. It also will not work on the ECOTEC engine or the 3400 V6, in case anyone was wondering.

[00redse]

actually most of the 99's have the smaller starter and no egr. However they can not be reflashed, so you just need to do your own fuel mods to compensate for the added air.

this post from j-body.org is a good resource for any pre 2k cars wanting to go the gm s/c route.

http://www.j-body.org/forums/read.php?f=40&i=105987&t=105987

[klipper]

So does anybody actually have it installed? Is there a noticeable difference? I am looking to get one, just would hate to get all said and done and have it not make a difference.

[battistoni21]

NoSweat83 has one but he hasn't been on forever...... looks damn nice too

[2fst4u]

i just purchased one, and will be installing it this coming summer.
i have the 2.7" pulley, so i'll let you know how it works out.

[[ion] C2]

www.gmpartsdirect.com

GM PART # 12498660
GM LIST: $1,929.00
OUR PRICE: $1,404.31

Just some quick info.

[tr4v1sf]

hey on the one above what else would you do to get even more horse power out of it would the pully size matter

[rustyballs_69]

hey on the one above what else would you do to get even more horse power out of it would the pully size matter

Yes the pully size matters. Im not sure what all the specs are but I know the smaller pully is better depending on the application.

[Oldsman]

stock PSI is 4-5psi

max psi is 8-10psi after that very ineffiecent.

basically you can go down one or two pully size i think it is a 2.7 or 2.6 but that is it

[MixtapeMessiah]

I wanna know what numbers were lookin at here tho, cuz it says a good 190 reliable hp, thats like only 40 more hp, ur better off boostin it

[2fst4u]

I wanna know what numbers were lookin at here tho, cuz it says a good 190 reliable hp, thats like only 40 more hp, ur better off boostin it

there's a lot more information about this supercharger on www.j-body.org (http://www.j-body.org). the main idea behind the gmpp supercharger is that it is RELIABLE. this means you aren't going to need to change out your internals before installing it. it also means that gm will service the part. if you go turbo, you may have to change the internals to handle the boost. as far as numbers, it depends entirely on what supporting mods you have. i've heard numbers from 205 HP to 220 HP. most people don't JUST install the supercharger. most upgrade the exhaust, maybe cams, intake....

...ur better off boostin it
a supercharger is "boostin it"

[Cliff8928]

also.. what's the increase in torque with the supercharger?

[NoSweat83]

So does anybody actually have it installed? Is there a noticeable difference? I am looking to get one, just would hate to get all said and done and have it not make a difference.

Yes it basically makes your alero comparable to cobalt ss and it looks nice. I will have to repost pics.

[Pimpalero03]

its a good idea i think. reliable power and that is more then enough power. aleros are pretty quick already.

[number1alero]

hell of a deal even at 40hp gain, without the labor install, thats only $37 for 1hp, which is a steal compared to some mods where that can be $100+ per 1hp for some mods

[Pimpalero03]

i paid more then that to bag out my alero. this is a sweet set up

[2fst4u]

plus, there's a guy on j-body.org that will reflash your ecu with a better tune than the gm one. he also removes the speed limiter and throws in a few other goodies. all for 180 shipped.

[shiny alero]

do they make a super charger or turbo for the 2.2?

[MixtapeMessiah]

I think rsm has a supercharger for the 2.2, but for that u can get a turbo for it. I understand the gm supercharger its made to be reliable for the stock setup, Im just a fan of turbos and 2fst4u has a sick set up same with that dude with the 12 second grand am.

[NoSweat83]

do they make a super charger or turbo for the 2.2?

Yes. Get a hold of GM parts direct or GM performance parts.

[[ion] C2]

what happens if you drive it without a reflash? (say, driving it to the dealership to get a reflash)

[Oldsman]

C2;272028']what happens if you drive it without a reflash? (say, driving it to the dealership to get a reflash)

voids warranty

also it will run like crap and could cause problems

[2fst4u]

you have to zip tie your bypass valve open, so it doesn't boost.
so, you are just able to limp it to the dealership. never heard of voiding the warranty, tho.

[Oldsman]

yes it does. in the installation instruction it states it. i remember from when i installed nosweat's S/C

[billytheman1188]

no damn gm S/C's for the 3400!? wtf!!!:(

[Oldsman]

they did that the eaton kits though

[Cliff8928]

do they make a super charger or turbo for the 2.2?

Yes, but there is no re-flash for the Alero PCM, so you need to get a custom tune.

The part number is 17800003

[NoSweat83]

If you look in the showcase, at my car you can see what charger looks like.

[RoetherB]

Hmmm. My 'Ho is a 99... There are folks over there on j-body talking about doing a PCM swap for their z24s from 99 to a post-2000 year. Is this something we can do? I've done PCM swaps, but that's going to an aftermarket standalone, never to a later model year of the same car, direct drop-in.

Prolly a PITA to get this going on a 99, eh?

-Brad

[NoSweat83]

Hmmm. My 'Ho is a 99... There are folks over there on j-body talking about doing a PCM swap for their z24s from 99 to a post-2000 year. Is this something we can do? I've done PCM swaps, but that's going to an aftermarket standalone, never to a later model year of the same car, direct drop-in.

Prolly a PITA to get this going on a 99, eh?

-Brad
If it is something you want to do get a 2000 or newer pcm and have it flashed. That is the only way GM will do a flash.

[[ion] C2]

voids warranty

also it will run like crap and could cause problems

Forgot to ask, so how do you get the ECU reflashed if you install yourself if you can't drive/tow it to the dealership? Do/Can you take out the ECU and bring just that?

[NoSweat83]

Had mine towed. But, it has to be a GM performance dealership so they can do the flash. You can call GM performance parts and they will give you all the info on the nearest dealership.

[[ion] C2]

Is there a place that sells it cheaper than www.gmpartsdirect.com? I really don't like paying $300 for shipping. >_>

[billytheman1188]

i wish i had a 2.4 now.....:(

[[ion] C2]

can't wait to get mine :p

haha a guy over on j-body asked the same question and simply got called a jew, they all say $1700 shipped is a damn good deal for the kit

Edit: Looks like CrateEngineDepot sells it for $1550 and it ends up only being $1600 shipped. Some got theirs shipped overnight for free, I guess the salespeople call you with the best quote for shipping after you order it, as that's what it says. Neato. I'm ordering mine tomorrow.

[[ion] C2]

voids warranty

also it will run like crap and could cause problems

Just finished up my install yesterday morning. It does indeed run like crap, haha. Real rough idle, goes away once you get past 1500RPMs. And it stalls. I gotta get mine towed to the dealership monday, good thing my neighbor's got a car trailer. Can't wait for when it actually runs well. :coolio:

[billytheman1188]

C2;288382']Just finished up my install yesterday morning. It does indeed run like crap, haha. Real rough idle, goes away once you get past 1500RPMs. And it stalls. I gotta get mine towed to the dealership monday, good thing my neighbor's got a car trailer. Can't wait for when it actually runs well. :coolio:

lucky bastard:(

[Alerocharged07]

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[Alon Alero]

Nevermind.

[TheMeaningOfLife]

So after its all said and done instal and flash and everything, whats the final price tag and if i have 110K on her its gunna blow her up isnt it? And is turboing it cheaper?

[Alerocharged07]

I would say the overall price would be around $1600 to $2000 dollars. Gm parts direct killed me on the shipping cost. You can save money by doing the install yourself, but thats only if you know what your doing. Most people would say making a custom turbo would be better.

[NoSweat83]

Price is right around $2000 total if you install yourself going through GM Parts Direct. It just depends upon how much boost you want. If 10 psi or under just go with the S/C to save the headach but, if ya want more boost go turbo. If there are any question about the S/C ask and I will do my best to answer them.

[Alerocharged07]

NoSweat is right. Basically if you want to go turbo you will have to keep boost levels really low in order to not blow up your engine. The gm supercharger puts out a low level of boost that is safe to use with a stock setup. The reason I went the supercharger route is its a gm product that has been tested and has been proven to work. Plus gm will service the supercharger. On the other hand a custom turbo may give you better overall performance but there is no telling what its going to do to your engine.

By the way Nosweat I like your car. I wish I had the quad 4. That is a really sweet setup you have.:yahoo:

[[ion] C2]

Ya, my costs were $1579 shipped for the kit, and I guess it'll be $100 for the reflash.

[Mischief007]

I thought the Ecotec could take the GM Supercharger as well but supposedly no reflash from GM. Or am I mistaken?

[NoSweat83]

Alerocharged07: Thanks for the props. What motor do you have?

[ion] C2: If I memory serves me well the reflash was just under $80 but, that could differ from stealership to stealership. You got a good price on the kit by the way. Are you looking to switch the pulley?

Mischief007: You have a good and bad news situation. The good news is that since you have the eco the S/C is not a M45 but, a M62! Bad new is that I dont believe there is a flash. I know HP Tuners is out for the 2.4 so you should look to go that route. Software is $500 and all you need is a laptop (but you need to do a lot of reading before you dive into tuning). Check it out or if someone know's give us the newsflash.

[2fst4u]

glad to see we're starting to have a crowd of supercharged 2.4's.

[[ion] C2]

NoSweat83: Eventually (after forged pistons/rods, new bearings and gaskets). On my FQuick I got somewhat of an order of what I'm getting, so the engine doesn't explode along the way. :p

[Alerocharged07]

Hey whats up Nosweat. for my engine I have the 2.4 liter twin cam. After seeing how much more power the quad 4 puts out it makes me wish I had that engine instead. My current mods are the GM supercharger kit and the K&N warm air intake. Future mods will be the pacesetter header and cat back exhaust. After that I think thats all I'll be doing. My goal is reach 200whp and I believe with those mods I should be able to get there. currently I would guess I'm in the 170ish whp range according to what Ive seen on the j-body site.

[Alerocharged07]

That's right 2fst4u, supercharged 2.4's all the way! Gotta love that supercharger whine its like music to my ears. It kind of reminds of a airplane taking off. :coolio:

[tr4v1sf]

alerocharged do u have pictures of your supercharger :dry:

[Alerocharged07]

Yes you can see the supercharger in the new member introductions section. I"ll be taking some better pictures when ever I get the time.

[Alerocharged07]

?????

[NoSweat83]

Hey whats up Nosweat. for my engine I have the 2.4 liter twin cam. After seeing how much more power the quad 4 puts out it makes me wish I had that engine instead. My current mods are the GM supercharger kit and the K&N warm air intake. Future mods will be the pacesetter header and cat back exhaust. After that I think thats all I'll be doing. My goal is reach 200whp and I believe with those mods I should be able to get there. currently I would guess I'm in the 170ish whp range according to what Ive seen on the j-body site.

I have the same motor as you just a different IDI cover. I am getting ready to switch the pulley and install my MDS ignition. As far as current mods. K&N filter, modified Induction Dynamics cold air intake, RSM 62mm TB, NGK plugs, Casper FPR, Venom fuel rail, Pacesetter header, custom down piping w/ dynomax high flow cat, and Grand AM Borla cat-back exaust.

[NoSweat83]

BTW: Others including me, have had issues with blow by, anyone here? I made my own oil catch tank last year to remedy my issue.

[Mischief007]

Mischief007: You have a good and bad news situation. The good news is that since you have the eco the S/C is not a M45 but, a M62! Bad new is that I dont believe there is a flash. I know HP Tuners is out for the 2.4 so you should look to go that route. Software is $500 and all you need is a laptop (but you need to do a lot of reading before you dive into tuning). Check it out or if someone know's give us the newsflash.


That's what I thought. Oldsman and I were discussing that during ASS. It looks too much trouble for me though at this point. Probably going to save up for a 3rd of 4th gen F-body now.

[NoSweat83]

That's what I thought. Oldsman and I were discussing that during ASS. It looks too much trouble for me though at this point. Probably going to save up for a 3rd of 4th gen F-body now.
Not much different as far as install plus you get a better blower but, the tuning is the issue for you I'm sure. If that is true check out j-body.org and see if anyone can give you more info on doing this.

[Cliff8928]

I'm sure there's a way you can get a bin file from someone who has the cavalier supercharger and just combine those values into the alero's stock bin and make it work good.

[Alerocharged07]

If that bin file thing works that would be a awesome mod. The ecotech supercharger puts out much more hp than the 2.4 m45 supercharger.:coolio: I really hope you can get that s/c to work with your car because that would be a nice setup. If anything the guys at j-body should be able to help you out. I don't understand why GM didn't make our cars with the supercharger installed. Alero's would have sold like hot cakes especially if they put a supercharger in the V6 Alero. I think its like someone said GM killed Oldsmobile on purpose. I heard they quit advertising for them and everything. Anyway long live Oldsmobile and the Alero. The spirit of Oldsmobile lives on here at aleromod.com.

[AJules]

If it is something you want to do get a 2000 or newer pcm and have it flashed. That is the only way GM will do a flash.

any idea how much that'll cost

I have a 99 and would like to get one of these

any other problems i'd run into?

[Oldsman]

the reflash does not work with 99. so the only way to do 99 is hp tuners

[AJules]

the reflash does not work with 99. so the only way to do 99 is hp tuners

have any idea how much that'll cost?

and other than that it should be alright?

[Cliff8928]

theoretically as long as there's no pinout changes on the PCM and the part number of the PCM is the same between 99 and 2000, then you could do the re-flash. The technician would just have to "build" the car as a 2000 in the Tech 2.

[AJules]

theoretically as long as there's no pinout changes on the PCM and the part number of the PCM is the same between 99 and 2000, then you could do the re-flash. The technician would just have to "build" the car as a 2000 in the Tech 2.

so do you know how I can find out if they are the same?

[Oldsman]

theoretically as long as there's no pinout changes on the PCM and the part number of the PCM is the same between 99 and 2000, then you could do the re-flash. The technician would just have to "build" the car as a 2000 in the Tech 2.

the problem is the tech's at the dealers say it won't work and won't do it because the years don't match and say the factory changed something.

so unless you know a service tech personnally then your screwed unless you go hp tuners.

[AJules]

the problem is the tech's at the dealers say it won't work and won't do it because the years don't match and say the factory changed something.

so unless you know a service tech personnally then your screwed unless you go hp tuners.

alright, I knew something like that would come up

so i'd hafta go the hp tuners route... anybody know the process? sorry, i'm new at this stuff.

[Pimpalero03]

come to me and ill program it lol

[Cliff8928]

the problem is the tech's at the dealers say it won't work and won't do it because the years don't match and say the factory changed something.

so unless you know a service tech personnally then your screwed unless you go hp tuners.

As long as you can talk to the TECH and not the service writer, then you can usually get them to do it. Just like with my navigation unit, the Tech2 had to be told it was working on a Rendezvous to do the VIN Relearn.

[Oldsman]

As long as you can talk to the TECH and not the service writer, then you can usually get them to do it. Just like with my navigation unit, the Tech2 had to be told it was working on a Rendezvous to do the VIN Relearn.

right you have to talk to the tech and basically know what your talking about. they won't do crap like that for everyone.

[Cliff8928]

Yeah, I know how they can be. They should do it for you if you're paying for it regardless.

[Vinalero]

plus, there's a guy on j-body.org that will reflash your ecu with a better tune than the gm one. he also removes the speed limiter and throws in a few other goodies. all for 180 shipped.

Shipped? that may sound dumb, but how can you ship a reflash? he sends a new pcm?

[rustyballs_69]

Shipped? that may sound dumb, but how can you ship a reflash? he sends a new pcm?

You give him your vin# and he reflashes a pcm that he already has. He sends it to you and then you send him the one out of your car.

[Vinalero]

ahhh ok thx for the info. that would be a great alternative.

Does it has to be a PCM coming from the same model of Alero or can it be from a grand am, cavy and sunfire?

[Cliff8928]

Supposedly the '99 PCM is unique to the '99 Alero and Grand am

The 2000-2001 PCM can come from anything with a 2.4

[GA_turbo]

If you are going to swap the ECU try sticking with the N body one, thats my advice cause the reason i say this is because i got a tranny from a 99cavalier for my 99 grand am and my car started freaking out, so i went and got one from an alero and it was fine so try sticking with the N body ecu, i think there are alot of differences between the 2 this was one of the mistakes i made ( dont go by the J body wireing it is different than an N body ) . I already did the work for all of you and made a post about it, i did this to my car and my car runs great i love it and its very easy to do, but like said above you have to talk to the tech about it and you have to know what you want them to do before anything so bringing info on all of this to them will help you alot, i told them what i want it and how to do it and they did it in less then 40 minutes, read about it and good luck with it.
http://www.aleromod.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20529

As for the 00 ecu when you go to the dealer all the tech has to do is connect the tec2 first and pull the vin off the 00 ecu you installed and go by that vin# then he can call the tech line, so basicly once the flash is in you car your car then is stuck with that vin for future reference, the vin thats on your car would just be for the body and the new vin will be for the motor or drive terrain. Make sure you write down the vin number from the ecu in case you ever need it.

[tr4v1sf]

gay the super charger went up on crateenginedepot 1650 + shipping

[[ion] C2]

wow, gay. mine was $1579.25 shipped from them

[3400cc]

Pace Performance has them for $1498.95

Some time ago I was thinking aout a v6 Alero but after that manifold gasket fiasco I'd rather go with a 2.4 and a GM 5 psi supercharger.

My question: Are these spercharger 50-state emissions legal?

My hunch would be yes, seeing that the dealer will charge you to put it on and reflash the computer, but I GOTTA KNOW. It would be my daily driver.

Thanks

[[ion] C2]

Yes, they are CARB legal and whatever else. Comes with a sticker to verify.

[2fst4u]

anyone have a set of stock supercharger injectors laying around they want to sell?

[guiguilandry]

i can sell you mine.. they are the stock s/c ones

[2fst4u]

injectors received. Great guy to work with....now all i need is the injector plugs. dammit, for got mine were changed. lol