06-06-2009, 01:54 AM
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2.4l to 3400 sawp
just swaped 2.4 to a 3400. car won't start. buddy said we have no fuel. we can get it to run with either. i also don't have a starter signal. swaped gauges all engine wiring, engine fuse box, exhaust, pcm. can anyone help me out???
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01 Alero GX 3400 swapped
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06-06-2009, 02:34 AM
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is the security light on?
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I shaved my balls for this?
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06-06-2009, 02:37 AM
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yes it is. i tried that security over ride but still nothing.
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06-06-2009, 09:37 AM
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you didn't put the BCM in did you
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06-06-2009, 12:35 PM
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no i just did the wiring for the engine compartment and fuse box and pcu
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01 Alero GX 3400 swapped
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06-06-2009, 12:56 PM
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need the BCM, VINs have to match. also:
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The following components contain codes or passwords, or must learn codes or passwords for the Passlock™ System to allow the vehicle to start:
The ignition lock cylinder case
The body control module (BCM)
The powertrain control module (PCM)
If any of these parts are replaced, a learn procedure must be performed. Refer to Programming Theft Deterrent System Components . If parts are replaced and a learn procedure is not performed, the engine will crank and will not run or will start and stall immediately.
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06-06-2009, 01:30 PM
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it doesn't crank over. you gotta jump it.
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06-06-2009, 01:45 PM
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That's because the starter is controlled by the BCM on the 3400.. Not on the 4-cylinders.
In a 3400 Alero, you don't even have to hold the key when it's cranking. (at least 01-04, not sure on the older ones)
Swap out the dash harness and probably the BCM. You might be able to have the BCM reprogrammed, but not all of them can be.
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06-06-2009, 02:04 PM
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side question./// wouldnt the original motor before the swap have more potential power and available aftermarket?
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06-06-2009, 02:58 PM
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636 whp
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I was going to ask who told him to do such a swap but figured I'd just say something constructive instead.
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06-06-2009, 05:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by worknprog.99
side question./// wouldnt the original motor before the swap have more potential power and available aftermarket?
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x2....
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06-07-2009, 12:28 AM
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i've blown two of those engines up and decidied to swap a 3400. some people may disagree with my decision but whatever it's my car and thats what i wanted to do.
also what about my fuel pump. does it run through the bcm aswell cuz the pump doesn't turn on and the gas gauge doesn't register. the gas light comes on and the needle doesn't move. buddy of mine jumped it to see if it works and it does.
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06-07-2009, 01:21 AM
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All of the gauges are controlled via the Class 2 data bus, and intern by the BCM or PCM.
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2004 Alero GX w/sport pkg - Sold, living somewhere in WI now.
2011 Saab 9-5 Turbo4 M6
2004 Corvette Convertible M6
1994 Chevy Beretta - Quad4/M5
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06-07-2009, 09:24 AM
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how are your grounds? the security re-learn was done properly? No codes, turn key on, crank for one sec, leave key on for 10 mins till the light goes out?
the only harness I swapped was under the hood. did you get the harness from the same year car?
I did not change my cluster, or BCM, just the PCM
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2004 Olds Alero 3400 v6 15.32 @ 88.69mph Bone Stock
1999 Olds Alero 2.4 to 3500 swap (running), Ported heads. totaled by a honda
2002 GAGT 3500 swap. parting out
1993 c1500 turbo 3100 swap 5psi.
1976 Cutlass 350 olds stock for now
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06-07-2009, 02:37 PM
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no i have an 01 and engine tranny and harness from 02.
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06-07-2009, 02:54 PM
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did you scan it yet?
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2004 Olds Alero 3400 v6 15.32 @ 88.69mph Bone Stock
1999 Olds Alero 2.4 to 3500 swap (running), Ported heads. totaled by a honda
2002 GAGT 3500 swap. parting out
1993 c1500 turbo 3100 swap 5psi.
1976 Cutlass 350 olds stock for now
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06-07-2009, 03:15 PM
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would one of those obd2 scanners from part source work cuz i know the people that own it.
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06-07-2009, 03:40 PM
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they might work, depends on how many codes the can scan, some of those scaners only read out P0000 codes.
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2004 Olds Alero 3400 v6 15.32 @ 88.69mph Bone Stock
1999 Olds Alero 2.4 to 3500 swap (running), Ported heads. totaled by a honda
2002 GAGT 3500 swap. parting out
1993 c1500 turbo 3100 swap 5psi.
1976 Cutlass 350 olds stock for now
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06-07-2009, 04:53 PM
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I have a problem with my speedometer not working and and the rpms off. Also it will not shift without starting in 1st gear. My motor is a 3400 and the check engine light is on. if anybody can help me that would be great.
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06-08-2009, 12:01 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by greenbastard
no i have an 01 and engine tranny and harness from 02.
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Is your engine harness for a car with PCM controlled start or not? (it appears to be a mid-year 02 change).
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